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I (for one), do not give credibility to vpw by my belief in the non-existance of the trinity. To me -- it makes sense, and if the Dali Lama were the teacher of such, and provided scriptural back-up for his declarations, I would be inclined to believe (because of the scripture), reguardless of the teacher. I go to the "think tank" fairly often to look at their articles, and I also go to the CES site, about the trinity also. Both offer credible arguements. CES offers more scripturally accurate observations (imho) than the think tank does -- and my visiting these sites is more of an indication of my curiosity, rather than a "validaton" of one teacher over another. So -- my belief (or lack therof) on any subject, does not validate vpw -- even if he happened to teach it. There are others here who will disagree with my "conclusions" on the trinity, but I for one, do not see how it fits into scripture -- logically.

The only Chicago meeting I was at was in '85, or '86. Don't remember the exact year, and the only "hot" topic was twi, and not particular "issues".

Ex10 -- thanks. :)-->

Herbie -- hey bro, sorry if I derailed your thread. :(--> I like your suggestions about the imbalance of ki (power and/or energy). That is something I know nothing about, but the little you said in your post makes a whole lot of sense. (can you "google" ki??) --> :D--> tonto -- thanks for the prayers. They are appreciated. :)--> CW -- yes, there is an agency that infractions can be reported to. Basically, it is called "First Response". To successfully "lodge a complaint", one must have names, dates, specifics, and NO hearsay. Documented data means everything in issues like this. And a couple of us are documenting incidents, as they happen, so as to be accurate. Uncle Hairy -- Intimidating the intimidator would not be an easy job in our case, but there is a possibility that it could work, since he is not used to "backlash" to what he says. I am thinking confrontation (like that) would be a novel thing to him, since he hasn't experienced that for a long time. Shaz -- Thanks!! :)--> Most staff at homes like ours DO care, and go out of their way for the clients who live there. Yes -- we do try to take the high road, and yes - he takes the credit for it. -->

Exie -- meekness and honey works too. ;)-->

Tonto -- you asked: In a word -- yes. Did it work? -- in a word, No. My boss, and his "boss" are in a "good old boy network". We are a privately run agency, and though we (staff) have tried to go through the "channels", we have run into brick walls. We just (recently) found another avenue that may prove advantageous for the four men that live at this house. Perhaps I should post this on the prayer thread, cause that is about what it is going to take to eradicate our (one and only) problem. Thank you for your concern. The house I work at is called Noumenon. Larry, Jeff, Clark, and Loren live there. There are 10 of us (staff) who see to their needs. There is one staff member (Tim), who is blind. If you have a prayer in your pocket, pray for "sight" for Tim. Thanks! :)-->

You are right, yet I will not leave the job because of 4 very good reasons. Their names are Larry, Jeff, Clark, and Loren. These are 4 guys who have issues, are mentally retarded, and sometimes when times are toughest for them, I am their only friend in the world. I will NOT leave them to the devious devices of Tim (the boss). The rest of your post has great suggestions, and believe me -- I'll be looking them over. Here is a "for instance" that happened just today. I got called on the carpet for leaving the house to buy bread. We were down to one loaf of bread, and two of my guys (Larry and Jeff), have an eating disorder, and food is what their world revolves around. 2 days previous to today, we ran out of orange juice (due to Tim's "budget decisions") -->, and Larry threw a fit, hitting himself in the head with his shoes (among other things), because he wasn't going to get his 12 ounces of juice with his breakfast. Welcome to my world. So -- we were out of bread, I knew they would need it for the next morning, so I went and bought some. Tim -- in his "infinite" wisdom, decided I did it at the wrong time, and reamed me a new one. Told me to my face that I made a "bad judgement call", and he said so with other staff present. I will be confronting him about this in the very near future, cause I am ....ed. Every last person that is "staff" at the house I work at are most considerate of the guys that live there -- with the excepton of Tim -- the boss. This is what I/we are up against. And oh--- btw--- we ran out of coffee tonight. I am bringing some of my own in tomorrow so these guys get what they are supposed to for each meal. Tim has his head so far up his butt, he doesn't see the light of day, and couldn't respond accordingly even if he wanted to. We have a wonderful crew there at the Noumenon House. If Tim were gone tomorrow, there would be "rejoicing in Jerusalem". Both in the "staff" camp, as well as in the "client" camp. He is "that well" thought of. -->

I agree that Jesus said that in Revelation (thru John), but -- (honest question here) -- doesn't Rev. 22:18 {{thank you Roy, for making it a bit easier for me!!}} :)--> say "this book" and not "the bible"?? My question is -- if "this book" is mentioned, does that necessarily connote the entire bible, rather than the book of Revelation - where "all these plagues are written"? --> I have always thought that that particular statement applied to the book of Revelation only, and not to the entire bible. But that is my take on it. Do you see it as pertaining to the entire bible?? If so -- why?

DFMI -- Hmmmm. I don't think CES has (at least publically), and that is the only offshoot I am familiar with.

And -- if someone (anyone) has something valuable to offer -- why not pick up on it if it has "scriptural truth" attached to it?

Can you say selective quoting? ;)-->

I don't think trinitarians are bad. (imho) the doctrine is wrong, but the folks who believe it are not "bad", simply because they believe it. I've many friends who are trinitarian, and that "doctrinal disagreement" doesn't stop our friendship. Also -- the further (time-wise) that I get away from twi, I've found myself more accepting of many things that I personally don't agree with. I think one can learn from many sources. docvic sure did! :D-->

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Paul of Tarsus repented, and changed. So far as we know (victor) Paul of KN did not.

Ala -- thank you. Let me mull over what you just said. I've tried the humor aspect, and that does not work, yet - yet - yet -- I think I might see a key in what you are saying. :)--> yours -- d"muller" ;)-->

Hope you're happy now, Cynic.

And also -- the other staff at the group home and I do a lot of discussing about how to deal with this guy, since he is an "institution' there. We work with him daily, and see the flaws, but if you can offer a new perspective, it would be greatly appreciated. I for one do not believe he is fit for the job, nor do the others I work with. We would be most interested to hear what your ideas about "workplace violence patterns" are all about.

Herbie -- you said: I would be very interested to hear your "few thoughts". We have one character at work (who happens to be the boss), who does a magnificent job of verbally abusing both the clients, as well as the staff -- treating all like wayward children. He is loud, in your face, unforgiving, and when confronted with a mistake he has made, brushes it off as "well -- I'm just human". Sorry I can't give you more about his back-ground, but suffice it to say -- he is so into control, he could take lcm's place. Looking forward to hearing your "few thoughts". Perhaps they will help me deal with this guy, and all the crap he throws at us daily.

I agree. Completely, with the exception of the fact that as a human -- his thinking capacity had to be like ours. Adam had no sin nature either, yet he gave in to temptation, and did sin. Jesus was capable of sinning, yet He chose not to. That's what I meant by that.

If I remember correctly, "before" can also be translated as "against".

and perhaps -- just maybe -- CES asked for permission to use the logo. :D--> or is that too unreasonable to even think of? -->

Ask them. :)--> I looked at the links. Same logo. Was it copyrighted, or not? Either way, it is obvious it is the same.

MJ -- Yup. I agree. I've learned an aweful lot from those "unbelieving believers" in the past 20 years, once I was out of twi.

You're welcome! ;)--> If God meant for us to be vegetarians, He wouldn't have made meat so tasty!

Sky -- true. But some say that since Paul says in Galations 1:12 that his gospel came from Jesus Christ, that it supercedes the gospels. (not my opinion) :)-->