dmiller

Not to "rain on anyone's parade" here, but I found it sick, and judgemental, and just plain old inappropriate. FYI -- the handi-capped folks I deal with on a daily basis, use technics just like this to get what they want, and folks like me have to deal with it, out in "the community", and believe you me --- it ain't purty. Trying to maintain some semblence of "authority", while a screaming "client" is getting all the attention, isn't easy --but would I have said to their folks *use condoms*? Not me. If that jerk in the ad couldn't control his own kid, perhaps he should have used a condom, to that much I will agree. But to me -- the overall implication was ---"Got kids?" "Got problems?" "Use a condom -- no worries." What's the next step?? Eh? Planned parenthood seems to be on every street corner, and I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut, that they have some ideas for you.

"Oh, Holy Night"

"The Twelve Days Of Christmas"

" Over the bridge, and through the woods" -->

"Oh Little Town of Bethlehem"

Sorry -- I can only do these one at a time. :(--> But it sure is fun!! :D-->

"Silent Night"

"O Christmas tree"

"It came upon a midnight clear"

This was from a "spoof" on the GARAGE LOGIC SITE, here in Minnesota -- but it hits way too close to home, concerning the mentality of the folks that live here. -->

No "L" (Noel)

KIt --- :D--> :D--> Up here in Minny-soda -- the unabashedly bluest of blue states, next to perhaps Massachusetts, we wish you all a very merry, er, uhhhh, ahem, (cough!) ----- Happy Hannah-Rama-Kwanz-Mas -- from the land of 10,000 taxes, where The Women are strong, The Men are good looking, And the children are above average -- Each and every one.

Cindy! --- good to hear you are doing ok. Praying for you. :)-->

ROFLMAO!! :D--> :D-->

Geez -- when I read WAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!, I thought that maybe the prayers had been answered (from the prayer forum), and there was a brand new ! on the way!! :D--> Not buying diapers yet? ;)-->

:D--> :D--> :D--> Me too. I don't "open mouth, and insert foot", I usually --- "Open mouth, and change feet"! -->

Belle -- yes it did hurt back then, and took a bit for me to get over the double loss. Just realized I did not answer the original question --- You know how long I've been out, and it took about a year (am guessing) to really get over it. There was a *healthy bunch* of insurgents up here in Duluth then, and I had some friends back home in Indiana supplying me with recordings from a lot of meetings ( and transcripts of others), that were going on all over the country. Those tapes and transcripts, helped a lot of us here see twi in it's true light and a lot faster, so we knew everything all at once -- and didn't have to deal with the "trickle down" week after week drizzle of info that would have happened otherwise. Guess that was my *therapy*, if you can call it such. We all brought cigarettes, bottles of wine, etc. and would go over this material, and talk into the wee hours of the morning. Yes -- we all felt something *died*, but thinking back to those times -- I think what we really felt was disgust that we were duped, and maybe the dying wasn't such a bad thing after all. This was back when the POP came out, and all hell broke loose, but up here in Northern Minnesota -- we weren't *privilidged* info-wise (the way the folks in Mpls/St. Paul were) --- so the POP, and other "ill-winds" were only rumors to us for the longest time and with limb headquarters acting like everything was fine -- we were kept in the dark. Then I started getting mail. There were a couple of folks here who took it pretty hard, but I and others (while seeing it as a big deal), went the "disgusted" route, rather than the "hurt" one. I for one -- figured the outfit would shrivel up, and blow away -- like some piece of trash along the "highway of life", and not to be heard of again -- never realizing that the tyrannical reign of micro-managing people's lives would be continued "ad naseum", for another 2 decades.

B as in "B", and S as in "S" You have your standards, and I have mine. Get a grip on reality, and realize that not all folks (scuuuze me -- men) --> have their head face down in the gutter like you are so willing to admit to for yourself. I like it as much as any other guy, but being un-married, and with other concerns, and being older -- it is not that big a deal anymore. Oh -- wait a minute -- you're speaking about the BOT, aren't you?? Well -- what you said may apply to them, but try and give the "average joe" (such as myself) a break, and don't denigrate the entire male population in front of all these women, by saying there is only one thing that we think about, cause it just is not true. Maybe for you it is, and I am guessing you have one hell-uva-shallow relationship. Post your next thoughts in the Prayer Forum -- sounds like you could use them. :D-->

Good point -- but Jesus was the "judge and jury" in that particular case. I hear what you are saying Berry, and I have mixed emotions about it too, though I do think the correct sentence was handed down.

David -- not to de-rail here, but are you the author of "THE TWO WAYS OF THE FIRST CENTURY CHURCH" ? Imo -- that is just as good (for the spiritual side of man), as the oxygenated water is for the physical. :)--> Back to the topic......

Kit --- I have only three credit cards for individual stores, and Sears is one of them. Thank you for posting what you did. I will make it a point to go there (vs. the other two stores) for things that I can use, but don't really need. :)--> ---and I'll let them know why I am there.

I agree --- but ------- ROFLMAO!!! :D--> :D--> :D-->

Nibblin' on sponge cake Watchin' the sun bake All of those tourists covered with oil Strummin' my six-string On my front porch swing Smell those shrimp they're beginnin' to boil Chorus: Wastin' away again in Margaritaville Searching for my lost shaker of salt Some people claim that there's a woman to blame But I know it's nobody's fault I don't know the reason I stayed here all season Nothin' to show but this brand new tattoo But it's a real beauty A Mexican cutie How it got here I haven't a clue Chorus: Wastin' away again in Margaritaville Searchin' for my lost shaker of salt Some people claim that there's a woman to blame Now I think Hell, it could be my fault I blew out my flip-flop Stepped on a pop-top Cut my heel had to cruise on back home But there's booze in the blender And soon it will render That frozen concoction that helps me hang on Wastin' away again in Margaritaville Searching for my lost shaker of salt Some people claim that there's a woman to blame But I know it's my own damn fault Yes and some people claim that there's a woman to blame And I know it's my own damn fault ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And that is my final answer :)--> I stand behind everything I say, Until the crowd turns ugly, and the bottles start flying.

and how about the credit union?? Just what we needed -- all our money in their possesion, and access to our accounts!

sooooo --- JM --- if you're still around --- do what you think is best, but just don't get sucked up into anything, ok? :)--> It's admirable that you want to go with a friend to *church*. I have done the same. The key to all of this here is --- if you do decide to go, go for the sake of your friend, listen to what is said, and above all -- remember what we have said here. What you have heard here comes from decades of personal experience, misfortune, lost expectations, frustration, etc., of those who peeked through the door, then stepped over the threshold and into oblivion, and luckily, found our way back out of that black hole that robbed many of us of all that we held dear. When I "window-shop", I leave my wallet at home. When I call about an ad in the paper, it is an inquiry only. Shopping for fresh fruit, I look at all that is offered, pick the best, and leave the rest on the shelf. Needing gasoline for my car, I go where the prices are cheapest. When I try a new church, I listen, drink their coffee afterwards, and leave. I came, I saw, I chose, I left --- and nothing was lost by it. In other words --- you may not be satisfied until you have gone, but if you do so -- make no commitment. Treat it like window-shopping, calling about an ad in the paper, shopping for fresh fruit, or getting gasoline for your car. It is guaranteed that you will not really see what we have described to you here (on your first few visits), but believe me -- all that has been said here (and more) has been, and always will be an integral part of twi. So -- go *shopping* if you will, but leave the wallet (both physical and spiritual) at home. :)-->