dmiller

Shhhhhhhhhh!!!! Don't let twi hear that. They'll *step up* the attack on believers, if they do.

All things in common?? Wonder how many folks had living accomodations comparable to the *chalet*, while in rez. -->

Not really. I still have a lot of the same beliefs, but my outlook on the make-up of the organization propounding those beliefs, has changed dramatically. A complete 180 there. No more *blind obedience*, and unquestioned allegiance to any group -- even after scrutiny. :)--> As the bumper sticker says: Question Authority!

A Leonberger here. Origin: Germany Thought to have been created in the 1840's by the mayor of Leonberg to closely resemble the lion on the town crest. Developed by crossing a Landseer with a St. Bernard, then back crossed to a Pyrenees Mountain dog. Only 5 dogs survived at the end of WWI, and these were carefully nurtured and bred, but after WWII only 8 remained. The Leonberger has a steady, balanced, and lively nature. Steadfast, affectionate & calm, the Leonberger just loves everybody. Their intelligence is extraordinary, their loyalty & love for their families is unparalleled. Most have incredible patience, even with the most obnoxious of children, but some are not as patient. A gentle giant.

Rooting for the "big ten" myself, but may the best team win. :)-->

:D--> :D--> WWJS --- (Who Would Jesus Slaughter). -->

I hadn't seen JAL for about 10 years, when that happened, and that was 10 years ago. He had no clue as to what I as up to, or what I had been doing. He knows me from the way of Indiana, back in the 70's. Shoot -- I was going to be in town to pick for a dance, and this was just something I went to because I was invited. And fyi -- I would never go to a meeting, just because *personal prophecy* might be the headliner *act*, and I would certainly leave the checkbook at home! ;)--> I agree. Seems to degrade prophecy a bit, eh? I paid nuthin then, and never would -- not now or ever. :D--> I do that too, especially when driving. When I pull up to a red light, I make sure I can see the bumper of the car in front of me, in case I need to get outta there. I do the same with *religious* groups. ;)--> That there is okayyy with me if you think so. :)--> (Opinions are .... ) In case anyone missed it, JAL said nothing other than what I said earlier, and it was Greg who gave the prophecy, not JAL. If you think it is a *crock*, then so be it. Sure -- the guy coulda been a psychic, or whatever. And it was not a *feel good* thing that happened, it made me think about my life's choice's ahead of me -- and that to me is a good thing. No worse than an investment guy telling you where to put your money, to earn the greater return. No worse than a counselor telling you what needs to be done to quit an addiction, or how to get your marriage back on track. If you don't like the Bible, or even believe in God's Word -- then you have every right to be skeptical, and I won't question it. And if you don't like a certain group's *usage thereof*, I won't question that either. I had that *personal prophecy* happen to me once, about 10 years ago, and have never sought a similar *experience* since. The one and only time I experienced it, I was impressed that this was a viable entity for life and direction, and it happened via someone who was not involved with CES.

Robin -- yes. We are finally learning to follow the second greatest commandment by loving our neighbors as ourselves, regardless of the "dogma". :)-->

HCW -- yes, and so do I. So do I. I only meant that I have little use for the RCC doctrine, not it's followers. :)-->

Lindy -- yea -- exactly!! (Ahem) -- what did the original post say, before the *editing*? I could ignore you a whole lot better, if I knew what you said, Belle. :D-->

I remember lcm calling him J2, P2. --> I was raised Catholic, and though I have no use for what they propound (these days), this man qualifies as a *saint*, for doing all he has done to benefit all of mankind.

And a PS here --- Greg Pharis and CES parted ways soon after because of doctrinal issues over the trinity. From what I gathered (and I could be wrong about this), both were looking to *convert* the other, while gleaning what they could, from diverse experiences. Regardless of all that, I stand behind what I just said about what happened to me.

Clearwater -- you said: Ok. I'm game. Here is my story (sorry -- no biblical references to back it up -- just what happened). JAL came to Minnesota in (around) 1995 or '96 (don't remember the year exactly), but he came up here with a guy named Greg Pharis, who did personal prophecy, and I'm guessing that this is where CES started learning about it -- from Greg Pharis. I got a call from JAL on the phone (out of the blue), saying he would be in XXX town in Minnesota, on a certain date, and just by coincidence -- I was going to be playing fiddle at a square dance 15 miles away from where he was going to be, and on the same day, about 150 miles from where I live. Upshot of it is -- I did the square dance, and then went to the *meeting* afterwards, and JAL pulled me aside, and said to Greg -- "I want you do do a prophecy for this guy here." Greg -- (who didn't know me from Adam), spoke in tongues for a few moments, and then as JAL held a tape recorder, he laid my life bare before me, and said things that no one (repeat -- NO ONE), could have known. It was more of an exhortation to *do better*, and not a condemnation for how I had been living my life. Still -- it shook me to my core, that he could be sooooo accurate, and even had to ask my name before he started. I haven't a clue as to what CES is doing as pertains to a *prophetic council*, or whatever it was you said, but my one time experience with personal prophecy made a believer outta me. Like you said -- Paul got it, others in the Bible got it -- why shouldn't we? It's there for the benefit of the believers, not for their condemnation. And no -- twi never did do this (imo). But then again -- I was in twi I, and perhaps they did do this in the latter years, after I left.

Hmmmmm ........

10 out of 20. (I consider myself lucky.) :)--> 18/20 the second time. How the heck was I to know that caviar and white chocolate are a good combo?? --> . . .

Shellon -- good points, but I seldom get mad, unless I see an injustice being done. Certainly there are times I feel *threatened*, or at times things are out of *my* control, however (after reading what you had to say), I see that I get most irritated when injustice is done to others, when I have no control over the situation, and it does not affect me personally. Maybe Dr. Phil is offering a *generic* solution to what we all feel at times, without being specific. After all -- it is just a tv show, and he is looking for ratings, just like Oprah. What he said may make sense, but not to me. It may be applicable to some, but certainly not to all. Wonder how he would have categorized Jesus' anger, at the money-changers in the Temple? -->

On March 31, 2005 -- you, I, and the entire world saw a murder in progress, finally reaching it's culmination. See ya in that *better land*, Terri. This one stinks, all the way up to High Heavan. :(-->

Good luck -- and see ya soon.

Amen! I've given to both sheep in wolves' clothing, and wolves in sheep's clothing, and in the end it did not matter which they were -- because of the fact that at that point in time I felt they were in need, and I had it to give to those that needed it. Jesus took the entire Torah, and reduced it to two commandments. I try to follow those two, and sometimes I get it right. I'm happy I try. God will be the judge of the merit of it, when He sees fit. :)-->

I'd rather see him pictured with the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. :D--> But -- hey -- yer the hostess! ;)-->

Gives a new definition to *spiritualizing $h!t* --> Personally -- if the toilet is INDOORS, and in working order, who cares?? :D-->

Oh -- glad to hear he made it *safe and sound* to your place Radar.

Shell -- The list of who has which, is on the top of page 12. :)-->

JT --- 50 bucks a month!!???? That is (about) 4 hours of a day's worth of work for me. Yea -- I'm under-paid too, but I can do that much, easily -- with NO *believing*. :(-->

And from Tzaia -- on page 13 of the "Trinity has met it's Match" thread in Doctrinal: To admit mistakes, and own up to them takes a bigger man than one who continues to live in them.