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Vickles -- contact your insurance company, and see what the premium would be if you were not employed where you are now. Sure -- it'll be more than what you currently pay, but as a current policy holder, they may cut you a break if you move on to another job. I left the truck driving/delivery business for the group home work, and found out the insurance (which was very good that I had with the company I was leaving), was offered to me at a cheaper rate than they would charge to a new policy holder, even though it would be higher since I was at a different job locale. It may or may not work for you, but it is worth a try. :)--> (ps, soon after starting the group home work, I was offered full time there, and their insurance was even better as well as cheaper, so I dumped the other program altogether.) David

2beenthere2 -- Good for you! :)--> Man -- I couldn't accept a diet that forbade coffee, though!! :D-->

I'ts all in a day's drive, Vickles. 800 plus miles, but well beyond the 250 mile radius for a Sunday teaching at hdqtrs! :D-->

Now THAT is a REALLY good point George. Probably the only valid reason they have to keep folks out. Any other reason they may offer is just twi being mean-hearted to the folks they hold grudges against, regardless what they say to the press.

No he doesn't understand waking up from the dead.

Catcup -- I know what you mean, but I had to laugh, thinking how fast a parachute like that would sink, instead of float! Back when Charlie Daniels' song *THE DEVIL WENT DOWN TO GEORGIA* came out, some of us pickers up here got to discussing the merits of a *Fiddle of Gold*. Our general concensus here was that a fiddle of gold would sound like $*** !!! :D--> It may look pretty, but didn't work like it should. Same with his *parachute*. Wonder if it was worth the *weight*?

Both fit. :D--> The also in sentence one (I'm laughing too hard here! -- I hope I get this right!), and the also of sentence two both point to the fact that Bullinger did the work which was *hijacked* by docvic, who got the money! Also guessing, in that sentence, it doesn't matter where ya put it, eh?

Seems like everytime I've tried to mow the lawn this year -- it rains for two days straight. If this keeps up I'll have to get a herd of goats, and forget the lawnmower. I'll try and send some of our weather your way George! ;)-->

Ha! Here in Minney-soda, we have the same. And after dealing with that for 26 years, I'm almost willing to give those storms a try! :D--> :D-->

and I also forget the significance of the almond blossoms, but that was important to them too.

The first time I heard them teach this, I immediately thought of STARGATE-1, the series on tv! and believe it or not -- it made some sort of sense to me. The only problem I have, is that I haven't found SG-1 yet.

Good question, Song. I hung out with a Messianic outfit for a year or so. Their teaching was that anytime you saw *beam of light*, or flaming sword mentioned in the bible, it was the same thing -- God protecting His domain. I can't find the verse, but I remember them teaching about a beam of light that came from between the two cherubim on top of the ark of the covenant. the Ark of the Covenant had: manna; the 10 commandments; and Aaron's rod, that budded with almond blossoms. in other words --- the bread of life the written word and a *dead* stick, that came to life. all pointing to Jesus Christ. Their contention was that if you came up to the ark, and the beam of light coming from between the cherubim, that was the gateway to Eden (God guarding the door to the tree of life). The flaming sword of Gen.3:24 was the same as any other time you see a mention of a beam of light in the Word. don't ask me to explain. I left them over two years ago, and this is kinda fuzzy, but this is what I remember from them. It wasn't something they promoted as really important, but they taught it none-the-less.

geez -- in the first sentence, she says she is an ex-wife -- and then from sentence two on -- she refers to him as *hubby*. Keep that bank account number close to your chest, Pirate! :D-->

Allan -- sorry, but I just have to ask --- What on earth is a *HILLSONGY* song??? I play fiddle, banjo, etc. and have heard of many types of music, but never that one!! :D--> David

Hey there Rascal. Not meaning to argue -- but those men of questionable character (which I think is too kind a word for them), taught things they gleaned from others who are of good repute, and actually did the research that was the basis for the teaching of twi. I agree that blindly following docvic & co., and their *say-so* isn't the way to go. I also see that some of what was taught was good, and worthy of following, despite the jokers that promoted it, (who couldn't keep *little Willie* zipped up). Blind obedience to any outfit is the start on the slippery slope to Hell. And if you are wondering -- no I do not hold exclusively to their teachings, eschewing all others. And even though I like CES, I don't hold exclusively to their beliefs either. I think we can all learn from everyone -- just like docvic did. :D--> David

:D--> :D--> Good one, MW ;)--> heh heh heh. Prunes!!???

(bold is mine) MJ -- yea -- I think so. Especially *if we begin comparing*, like you said. But I think that looking at how a person lives their life (ie -- do they practice what they preach) is neither judgemental, nor is it relegating their salvation to the works they do or don't do.. I think it is just being honest and holding them accountable to themselves, and the people they are in charge of -- be it a youth group, a worship team, an entire church, a radio ministry, any of that stuff. And if the accountability that they are held to is biblically based, then we are not forcing them to *work* for their salvation. :)--> David

That's a good question!! My thinking is that the very gifted (in whatever their calling or talent is), get the same temptations we do. And since they are more high profile, they get it more than the rest of us, making it easier to succumb. I don't see how they could justify doing wrong, and still maintain their *office* with a clear conscience though. Especially if they are in ministry work, like a few folks we know from the past.

True. The seminaries spend time teaching the book knowledge, cuz they can. I wonder if it is possible for them to teach a student how to be Christlike?? Wouldn't that be more a matter of one's own heart, and personal committment? I think this says it pretty well. We may have gifts/callings (whatever) and they should be used to further the cause of Christ, as we are being more Christlike. :)-->

Trefor -- actually, I wouldn't let loose of mine very easily either. The price would have to be very high indeed, before I considered it *right*. There is a lot of blood, sweat, tears, and joy that it represents -- as well you (and everyone else who went wow) know.

Didn't think of that Rascal. lcm never did go out as wow, did he? --> And if that's the case, how does he justify himself wearing one of those pins? Guess it was pretty easy for him to discard his, if he hadn't earned it.

Woops -- I may have just relegated this thread from the Open Forum, to the About the Way Forum!! ;)--> :D-->

Last 22 days, eh?? Lessee -- that would be 2 X 11 (according to Bullinger). Since docvic taught that the number two signifies *established*, and Bullinger tells us that the number eleven signifies *disorder and disorganization* --- The last 22 days must have been "disorganization established". Yup -- I would say that is significant.

Moomy -- which cult did he convert them too? :D--> ;)--> :D-->

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