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Happy birthday, Sir G. :)

MEA CULPA!!! :( dang --- I just realized --I am so sowwy. :(

Tom --- good post. :) However I've gotta disagree with a point or two. Ya got a minute here??) You said ---- What you said was true, but look at what you said??? You are equating the teaching (music) with the qualities of the teacher (picker), and are negating what is actually going on, by looking at the person doing the *performing*, rather than looking at the performance itself.Now -- both you and I (and I suspect WD also), realize that docvic stole a lot of what he taught, had a less than perfect life (moral-wise), and taught pfal at the same time. Now --- He might have been the south end of a north bound horse, but that was his problem, not ours. To be [sure he (docvic) screwed up in his life, and pfal was a flawed class, but to categorically toss out SOME of the teachings in pfal merely because docvic taught it is like saying *I won't drive a Chevy, since records show they have been in more accidents, than Fords. Does that make sense to you?? I hope not, cause it doesn't to me either. And then you said --- Do you see what you just said?? People are castigasting the *SOME OF THE TRUTH* that is found in pfal, BECAUSE OF DOCVIC, WHO HE WAS, AND HOW HE ACTED, NOW --- Let me say this, and understand it now, cause I don't intend to repeat it. If you don't like docvic ---------say so. If you don't like pfal ------------ say so. If you don't find truth in pfal --- say so. I personally find LOTS of flaws in docvic, AND pfal --- but, DON'T tell me ANY MAN'S teaching is flawed ~~~~~~~~ JUST BECAUSE OF HIS CHARACTER! (Cause if you do -- you need to go back to your childhood, and toss out every thing you have ever learned, and start on your own, with NO outside references.) You're usually an astute person ,Tom. Examine the evidence. Everyone else, can do the same. :)

How can you call this Pizza?? No pineapple on THE top of it!

That's a good point, CK. ;) (With the exception of Mike (nothing casual there) --- Uhhh -- what was my point??? :unsure:

I need to add a *disclaimer* here. I have heard that cg had a loaded pisol at a meeting, by someone who was there. I do NOT know what meeting this was, but now thinking it over, it was around the time of the clergy meeting that I heard this, so it must have been a previous meeting (such as Radar has reported), and the reading of the POP fits in with this perfectly. (Kinda like a pistol in a ---- woops I meant like a hand in a glove)

Is this the pic you wanted, Jonny??

Well I never did. I don't support docvic (though he taught some stuff right), and I don't support Bullinger (though he taught some stuff right too). The ONLY TIME I tossed out the teachings of Jesus, was when I was active in twi. Bullinger (if I remember right), was an ultra-dispensationalist, who believed that speaking in tongues had passed with the Apostles, and I surely do NOT agree with that. :) And if I can add my two cents here about this thread --- I'm thinking Tom and WD are somewhat on the same page. Here is what I have read so far --- meebe I got it wrong, but this is what I have seen from the previous posts: (paraphrased) Tom has said toss out the bad, keep the good (paraphrased), WD has said that truth is truth, reguardless of who says it. Others have castigated WD for *defending* pfal. WD has said he *deep-six's* some teachings in file 13, and keeps others. WD has NOT said that pfal is 100% correct. If WD had said that pfal was 100% correct, I would be in agreement with the majority here. But what he DID say is truth is truth, reguardless of who says it -- and that I can agree with. If you put a bow to some fiddle strings -- yer gonna get some music. The music may be good, may be bad, but the result is music -- depends on who is applying the bow to the strings as to whether or not it is good or bad. The ONLY thing I can definitavely say about the music, is whether it is good or bad -- I can't pass judgement and say there was no music, because it in fact it was there -- be it good (correct), or bad (incorrect). And with my (woefully) inadequate analogy, I think the same can be said about docvic, and his teachings. If you are going to judge the teachings by the character of the man teaching them, you may as well toss out everything you have learned in life from others. Seriously. If you want to toss out the stuff in pfal, just because of the teacher of it, then you may as well go back to your childhood, and start tossing out everything your parents taught you, your peers taught you, your teachers taught you, etc. After all, they were imperfect also, eh? Carry the equation through to it's logical conclusion. While NOT defending docvic -- every last somebody here has learned from others. And (while I don't know about you), my teachers in life were imperfect also. (Ps --- I am not defending WD here as much as I am defending his premise.) Like I said --- meebe I read it wrong, but that is my take on it.

Then again -- I heard it coulda been a .357 magnum snow-cone he had stashed away there at the podium, that he *brandished*. (Ya wouldn't want one of them under a suit-coat!!) :blink: Hmmmm.

Sorry ~~~ I got caught up in THE moment, there. ;)

THOU SHALT GIVE!!! I am THE, and I HAVE SPOKEN!!

AHHH -- YESSSS (MY PRECIOUSS!!!) *THE* DEMANDS YOUR MORE THAN ABUNDANT SHARINGGGGGG!!

Five bucks?????? Shucks ---- I can be-leave wayyyy bigger than that!!

An *IMG* from *VPW*. :)

Seriously --- doctrinal is not a spot for newbies. (Just my IMO). Granted -- good discussions are to be found there, but as Oak said --- "Without being elitest ---" (Yada yada, and the truth rolls on -----) I think (again My IMO), the *ABOUT THE WAY* Forum will satisfy most *newbie needs* (as far as discussion goes), since things discussed there are more of a general nature. Anyone who wants to *wander into the basement* is certainly welcome, but they need to know to bring cognizant thoughts, proofs, quotes, references, and asbestos underwear. Although I'm in that forum frequently, I don't post a whole lot, because by the time I am done checking references, links, scriptures, etc., a new subject has been broached, and the main topic of discussion is something totally different from what I had been looking at. Doctrinal IS NOT DISCUSSION ABOUT twi, although superficially it may seem to be. If a person happens to scroll down far enough on the page, and find the *basement*, that's ok in my book --- but if they want to join in, it should be with honest questions, poignant observations, and NOT *freshman bravado*. Any die-hard GS'er will scroll each and every page (Lord knows I did/ and do) and any die-hard GS'er knows when they should (or should not) reply. To put it mildly --- I have had a lot of *food for thought* offered in the doctinal section, (more than anywhere else), and I would like it to stay that way. Simply put -- if Doctrinal were made a more *visible* forum, honest questions could no longer be asked, discussed, or debated, without having to deal with *know-it-alls* that are spewing *the doctrine of the day* (so to speak) Again --- just my IMO, but some of us like to talk/read about ideas that are inspiring, worthy of discussion, and thought, and NOT deal with the trivialities that would enter if Newbies saw this forum closer to *ABOUT THE WAY*.

Squirrely birds, or birdly squirrels?????

Jonny -- your last post (and drifting off), reminded me of this song ---

David, I didn't know you were a lawyer! ;) Shaz Repeat after me -------- Banjo-picker Bluegrass-picker Fiddle-picker!!!!! (It was sooo cold here in Duluth, Minney-soda (the other day), I saw a lawyer with his hands in his own pockets. ;)

Chas --- Never heard of a *Dake* before. Sounds interesting! ;)

And that is PRECISELY WHY I don't tell folks about really good camping spots. It gets too crowded otherwise. ;) Geez -- for once Oak, Mark, and myself all agree on something!! :unsure:

Hmmm. I'm a *bottom-feeder* myself. :)

What I remember hearing is that he brushed his suit coat aside, revealing the pistol, while he was up at the podium. As I said -- I wasn't there, but the person who told me this was. 2nd hand info on my part (certainly), and it could just be a stow-ree, but ~~~~~~~ Hmmmm.

Hey Chef ~~~ can you whip us up a fruit salad here??? Mo's already got the ingredients for ya! (But if you top it with PIZZA - don't you dare call it a fruit salad.)

Ah -- then it must be a *mystery*, eh?? ;)

I just went throught the calendar, and didn't see him listed. Meebe ask him in chat ??? He should know. ;)