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To my favorite agnostic --- Congrats!! (Ps -- please say hi to Reikilady for me/ all of us.) :)

DogLover gave the *correct* definition -- as accepted by many "Christian" outfits. Twi (the way international), believed the same -- but put their own spin on it. The pfal class (power for abundant living), taught by the founder and 1st president of twi *dr.* victor paul wierwille (hereafter referred to as docvic) ---- taught a few extra things, that gave that *new spin* to being born again. In the pfal class -- docvic tells us man was originally formed, made, and created. He also says man was designed originally as body, soul, and spirit. The body was formed, the soul was made, and the spirit was created. He continued on to say that when man (adam) sinned, he did not die PHYSICALLY that day, but he died SPIRITUALLY, thus the spirit God gave to man was lost, dead, no longer a part of the *three-some*. And from the day adam sinned to the day of Pentecost in Acts 2, (when the apostles spoke in tongues man was a *two-part being*, and not *three-part* as originally planned. Docvic went on to teach that many in the Old Testament had spirit UPON them (conditionally), but it wasn't the same as having it IN THEM (unconditionally), like adam did (created in him). The folks who had spirit conditionally, were folks like the prophets, and they could lose the spirit, if they screwed up in their personal lives. To make a long story short -- docvic taught that when you accept Jesus as your Saviour (Romans 10:9), then God creates within you spirit once again -- now you are a 3-part being again. Body, Soul, AND Spirit -- ie --- *born again*.

Rubbing alcohol is isopropyl alcohol which gets rid of the water in the gas tank, like ChattyKathy said. Isopropyl is the main ingredient (I think) used in HEET (the stuff you put in the gas tank in the winter time), which keeps the gas lines from freezing, by displacing whatever water might be there. A big bottle of rubbing alcohol is much cheaper than the HEET -- I use it myself, in the winter time. Never thought about using it this time of year -- but it makes sense.

Hiway 29 -- may you never connect with wierwille road again. :) Have ya a great one. :)

HA!

John 20:29b -- "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet believed." Sometimes -- Ya gotta take it by faith!!

Only if they aren't named Peeve. ;)

The short version here -- until WordWolf shows up. Twi taught *baptism in the spirit*, vs. water. Twi lost (some say) 70 plus thousand back in 1985/ 86/ 87. We (here at GSCafe) are still trying to determine how many are active. Speculation (these days) is that it is a handful, perhaps 2.000 or less are active now. Going door to door was to recruit folks for the PFAL class Pfal = Power For Abundant Living). Twi thrived on classes and *seminars*. If you were a WOW (Word Over the World Ambassador) -- you were supposed to hold a part time job, and witness full-time for the *ministry*. This changed over the years, and I'm not sure what the current requirements are. Again -- this is the *short version*. Others can ellucidate/ clarify much more clearly than I. :)

WordWolf --- care to reply? ;)

Can you polish a turd??

I attended a memorial service at the local Kingdom Hall, several years ago. I was astonished/ amazed/ flabbergasted/ (insert your own adjective here), when they passed the plate, and then the cup. Not one person took a piece of bread, not one person took a sip of wine. The bread and the cup were passed on to the next person like a hot potato. Me -- (in my *ignorance*) damn near picked up a piece of bread to munch on, but the lady I was with (a dis-fellowshipped JW) gave me a hard jab in my ribs, with her elbow!! :D OK!!! ---Message received!! That was the strangest communion service I have ever been to. I've had Baptist *missionaries* here at the front door too. They ask if I know where I'm headed (above, or below) when I die. I told them sure -- I have no problem. I speak in tongues -- I know I'm headed for Paradise. They leave quicker, than they anticipated. ;)

Jonny -- find a publisher. Your stories are riveting. They will sell. You can quit sheet-rocking/ fish hatcheries, etc., and do whatever you want. Heck -- you could even go down to Tejas and smoke cigars with Tom Strange on a whim! :D Repeat after me --- Find a publisher ---- Find a publisher ---- find a ---------------- You've got the gift. :)

Sunesis -- you can *ramble* on my screen aneeee-tiiiime. :)

None of us have the *present truth* We are not worthy -----

Raf -- you must have your reasons. I figured the Forums would go, but the *To Wit* articles would remain. Yer-a-heck-uv-a-dog-worrying-the-biblical-bone, and I would hate to see that lost. I have all of the *To Wit articles* copied here, on the hard drive. LES -- RIP

Cheap entertainment, eh? ;)

T-Bone said ~~~

I was in Italy as a *missionary* for a group called Operation Mobilization, back in 1974. We were given Gospels of John, new testaments, books by Billy Graham, Watchman Nee, etc. -- and didn't have to pay for them either -- but were STRONGLY encouraged to accept/ solicit a donation, if we actually gave one of them away -- especially one of the books/ vs the Gospels of John. In our *training* -- we were told that if someone paid for something, it wouldn't gather dust on a table. While I agree with that premise -- I saw folks wanting material they could not afford. I gave away much more than I *sold*.

I usually don't get into trouble here. :) I take the middle road often since (while opinionated), I am willing to learn from others. Would that that would be the case with all here, but it's not. And neither is it the case elsewhere. Mebee that is why I get along over on JWO as well. Color me *non-confrontational*. I enjoy hearing all three sides of the story!

Yes I do. Like I said -- I'm with Top on this one. Prayers for health, and pennies from heaven.

Hmmmmph!!! You never responded to my very first post almost three years ago. I've had to have therapy for that. Cost me big bucks, cause I had to spend 5 weeks of sessions, explaining what-the-hey twi was to that unbelieving psychiatrist, before he could diagnose me with CRS -- (Cult Recurring Syndrome) I was in denial for the next two years. I was ashamed on all other boards -- expecting the same treatment. I felt I wasn't *cyber-macho* enough. (sniff) I found myself buying tissues, instead of power tools. I took up macrame instead of 4-wheeling, And it's ALL YOUR FAULT!! (Luv ya Excie!!!) :wub: (Now -- you can give me some shi+ back -- and I fully expect it)!

Excie -- I need a roof, siding, and windows on my house. If I had a sick pet -- well let's just say he/ she/ it would take precedence. I'm with Top on this one.

Noni -- welcome to GreaseSpot. :) You are one of the more level-headed posters on JWO. I'm thinking you will fit in here just fine. If you have any questions to ask of us -- please feel free to do so. Our horror stories and yours will seem eerily similar. Here's a cup of coffee for you. You're always welcome at the Greasespot Cafe. (PS -- your story sounds like MANY here already).

That guy over there has it.