dmiller

Ala -- yes it does! ;)

Who cares???

Hiya Double D. Welcome to Greasespot. Don't be surprised if you find this topic moved to the Doctrinal Forum, although it is a legitimate question asked about twi. I'll have to think a bit, to get the verses right.

Excie -- Jane was always *sickly* (I forget now what her ailment was), but it got the better of her finally. Mike re-married a year or two after she passed away, and several years later Mary (we were divorced by then), called to let me know that he too had passed on. It was a shock to hear about him, as he had (seemingly) been in good health. Life is short. Make it count. If it weren't for Mike and Jane (along with Mary), I wouldn't be where I am today --- both in past tense, and present. We 4 were really likeminded. We all got into twi at the same time, and left at the same time. It's because Mike and Jane saw the warning signs earlier than I did, that the *exit* sign became visible over the door leading out of twi. They got us in, and they got us out. I look forward to seeing them again, if for no other reason than to say *Thanks*.

Bloomington is home of IU (Indiana University) with about 30,000 students (or more). Twi had a VERY active branch going on there when I got introduced to them in the mid 1970’s. Pfal classes were being run on a regular basis. Since college students are inquisitive by nature and religion was always a hot topic in Southern Indiana --- you couple that with the student’s curiosity – and there was no trouble running classes to meet whatever quota twi had set for the time. I took the class in April of 1975, and there were 35 or so students in it besides myself, so it was a film class that was run in one of the lecture halls of IU (I guess twi popped for the fee to rent that room, since I’m pretty sure they weren’t given out free even in those days). R*ch Kenn*l was the instructor, and Jo*n Sc*tt was the area branch leader, and there was a steady flow of grads that came in to monitor various sessions of the class we took. They weren’t required to sit through the entire class, so they came in whenever they wanted to, and sometimes left at break time, if they had had enough. Of course none of them that showed up for the 12th session left early. Twig (from then on) was a fun get-together of folks that had just taken the class, along with the older grads. I remember going (about) twice a week, and never feeling pressured to do more. Back then (at least for folks like myself), a lot of latitude was offered, and though the hints to attend more, do more, etc, were there – it wasn’t pushed on us. So --- that was April of 1975, and in May/ June of ’75 – I split town, and headed to the Boundary Waters of Minney-soda to work at a canoe outfitters on Seagull Lake, way north of Grand Marais, Minney-soda – and one or two miles from the Canadian border (by canoe). Had the chance to take the intermediate class before I left, but opted to go north instead. Mary, was p!$sed that I left her behind, so I called around up here, and found her a job in a resort a coupla miles from where I was working. She stayed in Indiana long enough to take the intermediate class, then came up here for the summer. So – now there were two grads of the class here, one of whom had the intermediate, but no third *believer* – so we never did hold manifestations in accordance with docvic’s teachings about 3 or none. Even though we found folks up here interested in Bible, we felt we could do no more than teach. Couldn’t hold a real fellowship with manifestations without the proper number – don’tcha know. I had a tape subscription to the SNS, and looked forward to the arrival of a new tape each week. I would play those things constantly, hoping for a reprieve from the three or none “theory”, but it wasn’t a happening thing. :( Somewhere in those 2 or 3 months up here, I proposed to Mary, and she said yes. So we started making plans about when the summer was over, and we were both back home in Indiana. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Short story – she and I went to Thunder Bay, Canada on our day off once (maybe 200 + miles from where we were). We got to the Canadian border, and they asked where we were from. I said Indiana. They wanted to know why we were coming to Canada. I (in my ignorance) said: “We have the day off from work, and thought we’d visit here!” (forgeting entirely to tell them that we worked on the Gunflint trail!) We got some weird looks, but they let us in anyway!! (Good Gawd -- that was 31 years ago now that I think about it!!!) :blink: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So Mary left (late July) to head back home, and was talking about going to the ROA. I was supposed to stay here until late August to help winterize the outfitters, but on the spur of the moment, decided to quit a month early and go to the ROA myself. That decision got me into the REST OF THE STORY ----

Wonderful response!! Academic, even!!

Thanks to all from myself, and my family. While putting the whole thing behind us (so to speak), now it has come up again. One part of me wants to forgive the guy, and the other part wants to see him behind bars forever. Shaz -- good points. Renee (my other sister) has made it a point to be at each and every hearing that has happened so far, and she is VERY vocal about things that affect her personally. And as far as the drinking goes -- that was never proven, since he was apprehended much later -- and too late to do a *sobriety* test on him. The fact that he had been drinking is only *hearsay* from his wife, with whom he had a huge civil dispute immediately before the accident, and drove off in a rage. None of that is admissable in court since they didn't find him soon enough ( or for whatever reason), and the court is dealing with only the facts that directly concern the case -- legally speaking. :( If he serves the entire jail sentence -- I think we will have to be content with that. Sadly -- my nieces, Robin's grandkids and other members of the family, will have to deal with it for life. Thanks again for everyone here's prayers, and wishes. I'm done talking about this now. If a Moderator would lock this topic, it would please me. Thanks, and God bless to all who responded.. David

Jerry -- thanks for your *Labor of Love* for all of us, and for those who have ears to hear. Here's hoping you have a great birthday. :) Peace!

Chef -- think turbulence. Just like bubbles rising to the top of your glass of soda pop, or champagne. ;) (That's some *whale* of a turbulence about to happen!!)

Great analogy! Thanks. :)

May as well play, since it's so far away!!

Oh -- OK. :) I got my first comuper 3 years ago in 2003, so I guess I don't know what they did (web-wise) in the earlier days of CES. Sorry -- I thought you meant a more comprehensive link of ex-twi folks, and not just the bios of a few, etc. Truth or Tradition deals with topics, articles, and questions more than the personalities behind the articles. Same goes with the other site they operate Biblical Unitarian, which deals mostly with trinitarian issues. I haven't logged onto STFI recently -- but last time I did, they had a bunch of *bios* there about the staff on board (these days)

THE GREAT RIVER ROAD is one of the prettiest highways I have ever been on. The southern Minney-soda part of it is especially spectacular.

Used to head home to Indiana via I-65 (once I got into the state), to get there. That meant going around Chicago (toll-way) from Wisconsin, and then *over the top* of Indiana on I-80 East (20 some miles of the nastiest freeway on the planet!) :( My dad told me of another route that would eliminate Chicago, the hate filled I-80, and the toll-way entirely. I balked at first. I refused. It was *state roads*, and you couldn't cruise at real speeds. No way would you catch me taking a road like that, when free-way was available. I wanted to make good time -- with the emphasis on *time* Then one trip down there, I saw (posted on an electronic sign on the I-294 toll-way --- (as I got out of Wisconsin), that the east-west tollway was backed up 17 miles due to an accident. 17 miles of *stop and go* did NOT appeal to me -- so I decided to try Dad's route. I took off on the road less traveled, certain that I would be spending many extra hours behind the wheel, but that was preferable to sitting in traffic not going anywhere. Surprisingly -- I made good time. Surprisingly -- it was about the same mileage wise. Surprisingly -- I got to see some small towns and the life that went on there. Pretty countryside, garage sales, folks hanging out on their front porches, a slice of life in mid America that you don't get from the freeway perspective. I found myself relaxing the more I drove. No hassles, worries seemed to disappear, folks actually wave at you as you go by, that sort of thing. Now --- I am still interested in making good time, but the emphasis is on *good*!

Ahhhhhh yes! If you have the time -- ALWAYS take the road less traveled. ;)

Hey there J. :) I don't remember CES ever listing ex-twi folks. I could be wrong, but are you thinking of the Cortright site?? Here is the BELIEVER LINK from them. This is the only one I know of, but maybe there are others too.

Hey there Greg -- welcome to GreaseSpot. Check out THIS LINK from the Truth or Tradition site. It's the best explanation that I've read concerning the My God, My God question. Have fun! :)

Yea -- I was at the top with 1,001. (sigh!!) :( Her *bad luck* seems to have been passed on to me!! :blink:

Vegan --- Sister Regina Maria was my *saviour* from the Roman Catholic church and their customs. She saw what I could do, and refused to let the *church* interfere by putting me into their cult mold that that they put all the other boys in in the 8th grade, in parochial school. This was in Bloomington, Indiana -- some 50 miles south of where you are from. I could (back then) memorize an entire score on the piano or organ, and play it from memory with no music in front of me. Can't claim that today -- past usage of drugs, and alcohol have robbed me of that ability. But back then -- I was *hell-on-wheels* when it came to music. Not so anymore. :( These days --- I can pick up the fiddle, mandolin, etc -- and remember what I once knew -- but the keyboard stuff still escapes me. Let's see -- where was I with MY STORY??? Oh yea -- came back from Italy. Got back to the states, and found Mary, Mike, and Jane had all taken the pfal class. 3 of my closest friends -- and now they were spouting docvic doctrine. I had it out with them over many a cup of coffe, beers, whatever, and finally (something) clicked with me, and I started listening, instead of arguing. Jesus Christ NOT being God was the biggest topic at the time (Hey, being raised Catholic -- that would be a big issue) -- but I got to the point where I saw that He could never have been a deity, nor could He have pre-existed, if the bible is right. disclaimer to all practicing Catholics --- this is an (IMHO) --- So I started going to twi fellowships, and actually enjoyed the rapport there -- since it was a real mixed bunch ranging from transendental meditatiion to pentecostal leanings. Short of the long of it is -- I ended up taking pfal in 1975. More later.

Hey there Norm -- welcome to the site. :) Joyful Noise was always alright in my book. ;) Musicians on stage, doing their best for what they believed in -- yea -- No problem. (I didn't like all their songs -- but so what?) If I buy a CD today -- and I don't care for some of the tracks on it either, I don't toss the thing out as worthless -- I keep it regardless. And if I do like the artist or the CD, I get it -- and enjoy those tracks that I like. JN falls into the same category. Good musicians, playing righteous music. Far better than what is offered today, by twi. :(

All live links, just under the Living Epistles Society banner. Click on gallery -- it'll get you there. :)

Good Lord -- I forgot one of the most important sites!! Check out George Gruhn at Gruhn Guitars click on appraisals in the left menu. They will appraise instruments for 35 bucks. He has the most knowledgable staff in the United States in his shop for instruments like yours. It will be money well spent to get an honest appraisal from a luthier, and collector of vintage instruments. Don't mean to *diss* Antiques Roadshow, but when it comes to instruments, they are clueless. I've dealt with George before (over the phone), as well as with Randy Wood, and Tut Taylor (the latter two I have met in person -- but that's story I will reserve for later -- since it involves a J-45 I used to own and foolishly decided to get rid of). :( Get your guitar into the limelight that it deserves. Lots of folks would love to own that thing. Ya just need to find the right crowd -- reaching for their wallets. :) DON'T settle for an ad in the local paper. Advertise it world wide. If you were to sell it for the 1,500 bucks -- I'd take out a loan, and buy it, turn it around, and make an extra 3 grand off of it within a week. Or meebe keep it for another 10 years, and let the value appreciate. It's really amazing what an old piece of wood can be sold for these days. With strings attached. Good luck. :)

Hmmmmm. I've got 5 bucks! Seriously --- send pics of it to ELDERLY INSTRUMENTS and tell them you are interested in selling it. Have them give you a quote for a price that they are wiling to pay. They will buy it from you, and put it up for re-sale. They are honest and fair. I sold them a banjo once, and they gave more than I thought it was worth. Only draw-back to this is -- you have to foot the shipping bill to get it to them. SEND IT FED-EX!!!! Don't even think UPS for a shipment like this, should you choose to sell to them. Elderly is a huge site for finding and selling instruments of all kinds. Vintage instument collectors frequent this site like socialites on caviar. ;) Seems that other site in the post above deals in used instruments also, but today is the first I've heard of them (found em through Google).

1947 Gibson J-45 guitar (Serial# none) Excellent condition, sunburst finish. This is the classic post war Gibson flat top. Has mahogany back and sides, Kluson tuners, tapered headstock, single ply binding, dot fingerboard inlay, small rectangular bridge and the small pickguard. Logo is a gold silkscreened Gibson so it dates the guitar to 1947, as that was the only year this logo was used with the small bridge. There is some very minor pickwear on the top, several well repaired back cracks but no top or side cracks. Finish, hardware and bridge look completely original. Neck set is good. Its an excellent playing and sounding guitar with the sweet tone you only get from these early postwar Gibson slope shoulders. Comes with a newer hardshell case. This has the tone you are looking for ....USD (u.s. dollars) $4,750.00 (edited) woops -- quoted from THIS SITE