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She heard dog talk: blah, blah, blah MINNIE; blah, blah, blah MINNIE J.

oh, didn't scroll down enough. you had that one.

And... Miss issippi

Raf, are you making up rules? I didn't see anything about not reusing letters. Dang. ;) J. Yeah, we're a lot more fun than a headache too, Excie. J.

ohhhhhhhhh, 4 DIFFERENT vowels. sowwy :)

Yea Minnie!!!! J.

How about New Mexico for the first one? How about Washington for the next one? Wash, washing and ton That was fun! J.

Hold onto your hats! Marathon here just dropped down to $2.02!!!!!!!! J.

Great shots, Doveman. Always nice to put a name, a nice person and a smile together. Thanks for the pet pic parade :) J.

Will definitely pray for your sweet angel dog. Isn't it great how things have a way of coming together? So glad to hear about the A/C and how nice the house is looking. You deserve it! Thanks for the update! Hugs~ J.

Well, Flow... It's been more years than I care to count since I first met you and your sister in SoCal. Nice to re-connect with you here at GSC. Happy birthday to you. May it be a wonderful year ahead for you. J.

I can corroborate what Dove said. I was involved in the early days of the Geer tapes, classes, licensing. My ex and I also looked into the license and came to the same conclusion as Dove. We opted to provide original teachings and not recycle others' classes, etc. I was involved, as I said, with Geer groups in 4 different states. None of them made taking the classes a requirement. Nor did most require any allegience to CG. A few were more "wierwille worshippers" or CG "namedroppers" than others saying things like "Dr. this" and "Dr. said that" and would drop all their "interpretation according to someone's usage" stuff. Some kept in closer touch with CG than others and the "insiders" were very much into the same hierarchical "take the classes" bingo - - fill your card and you're better than everyone else cuz "I'VE HAD THE CLASS!!!!". For the most part, the fellowships were very casual, and the people were very sincere. I just got over the worship of men stuff when I left the Catholic Church and didn't buy into it too much in twi, so I would get the creeps in the geer groups when that stuff would come up. And many of those guys really treat women like crap. Some of them have stepford wives still so the mentality towards strong, bright, educated women was typically that we were "rebellious" or "needed to learn our place". Yes, massah. And I can vouch for Doug S. in Calif. on the family camps. You did not have to be in his group or any other offshoot group to attend any of the camps. They were just like a mini-ROA from the early days. Prett harmless and sweet. I've heard the same things about John Hill's camps. J.

Well, I started a list on the other thread. Let's add to it. If you add to the list, copy and paste the previous list and add to it (so WordWolf doesn't do it) ;) Geer groups: 1. No. Calif: Doug Seed 2. So. Calif: Dan Moran / about 100-150 a few years back So. Calif: Andy Zitelli / about 40-50 3. San Diego: Bob Lindfelt 4. Ohio: Johnny Townsend (only one licensed; others run the local groups) - 50ish 5. Wisconsin: Howard Stein 6. Indiana: Rich Watkins / about 50-60 in No. & Central IN 7. Illinois: Naperville - Bob Cardin 8. Illinois: Former Joe Guarini group: Now Joe Jr.? - - approx. 150? 9. NJ: Jerry Carr 10. AZ: Dave Standage / approx. 50 11. Charlottesville, Virginia: Earl Burton 12. CES/Spirit & Truth: Anyone know approx. #s and states? Christian Family Fellowship: John Shroyer & Wayne Clapp States???? Vince Finnegan's group: don't know name Atlanta Bible Fellowship: Bo & Stanley Reahard Bibel Center: Wolfgang Schneider Austin, TX: Dean Ellenwood Columbus, Ohio: Tom Burke, et al Washington State: a lot of the Strauhals Washington, D.C. area: Bruce Mahone/ Tom Jenkinson / Ken McCaw http://www.cabsf.org/Home%20Fellowships.htm Tennessee: (whole bunch of folks down there; I forget the guy's name who does the family camp there every year, but know that Brian Bliss lives there and is involved) Well, that's a start. The rest of you fill in what you know. States, local areas, numbers, names. Maybe we can get a comprehensive list. J.

"Likemindeadness" Pretty funny, Bill. J.

No, when JAL and the other guys whose names escape me at the moment first started CES, they had their pics and names on the site and bios even. AND they had a listing of CES sanctioned fellowships (long time ago). Maybe they changed it after the JAL changes. No, I'm not thinking of the Cortright site. I'm familiar with that too. J.

Interesting site, David. I thought it was interesting that they don't list ANY names (leaders, fellowships or participants any more). Maybe they never did as S&T, but seemed to me that the old CES site had all the old ex-twi folks listed. J.

One and the same Ken McCaw. J.

Thanks for the link TommyZ. I think Bob C. is a great guy and from all I've heard has helped a great many of very waybrained, hurt, disillusioned folks (particularly those coming off years on staff at twi) re-group and start over over the past 20 years or so. Joe Jr. is a prince among men. Great young man. Certainly has the heart of both his dad and mom. Thanks for sharing that piece of news. J.

One of my favorite Glad Tidings songs, Excie, was "Thessolonica" J.

Hi Hap: I would agree with you on "as independent as each leader wants it to be" which is my point exactly. Some of them lived off the twi tit for so long, that they naturally gravitated to their comfort level of The Way Tree structure (not matter what they call it, or how "independent" their licensese read -- it's how they PRACTICE IT). For example. When J*e Guar*ni was alive, he was still the state leader of the Geer group in IL. He and Bob Card*n were the two top dogs and cooperated with each other, but the structure and corps grads in the group just "played twi". Now, don't get me wrong, Joe was a buddy of mine. Loved him and love his family, but that's how the structure was. And Joe and Bob were the least legalistic of all the group, but the boys in the band, whew! Now under Joe were the state leaders: Howard Ste*n in WI, Rich Watk*ns in IN, Greg Bernard*ni in IL, Al Wajnb*rg moved up to IL to join the group right before Joe's death and I forget the guy in MI. They all worked together as the "leadership" and then had the same local area, branch and twig structure, though they didn't call it that, but in practice - - don't step out of line from the party line. Same deal in Calif. You have Do*g Seed in No. Cal, D*n M*ran in So. Cal. - - and little Geer satellites all over the state. The do their state summer camp and all the geerites come out of the woodwork. It's a little less structured than the midwest, but pretty much the same deal - - don't step out of line. Again, Doug and Dan are friends - - I could pick up the phone and talk to either one today and not have a problem with either one, but just don't choose to play way tree with them. How about the NE? You have J*rry C*rr, et al. You Northeasterners who've been there want to chime in????? So yes, Hap. It's as independent as each group in that each local guy has to apply for his own license and kick in his percentage of his local meeting and class fee take to the Geer retirement fund, but the practice I have observed says something entirely different. They are technically independent with their own name and bank accounts, yes. But the "likemindedness" or you're "off the Word", the "our Father in the Word" mentality, the respector of men as "THE men of God" stuff, runs a bit thick for my taste. YMMV. J.

No "official" fellowship structure, but having been around geer groups in 4 different states, I can attest it's not much different than the twi way tree controlling structure. Obey the leaders or you're "off the word" and persona non grata (sp?). And don't even THINK about questioning the leader, speaking ill of vp or doing your own "research". J.

Happy Birthday, Dana ~ Thinking about you on your special day. J.

Ohhhhhhhh Raf! I'm so happy for you. Muy felicidades! J.

Thanks for letting us know, Simon. Please tell Nika when you speak with her that the little sisters of the very poor merciful sacred heart of our lady of guadalupe de la ciudad de los angeles never cease to be in prayer for her full and complete recovery. We'll have to pair up Nika and Rum Runner when both of them are healed up. I think she really wasn't ready for school to start this year. Get well, dear Nika. (I really am praying for you) hugs, J.

I John 3:1: I was in residence from 1984-1986 in Family XI. Actually, Wayne was the dean during that time but did not teach any classes (he did teach an occasional Sunday service). He was the administrator of the academic program as dean and attended classes (towards his degree) nearly the entire time we were there. I was the office manager for the Word Processing dept. during that time and worked closely with his office - - because we typed all the transcripts that went out. I was NOT saying that he was not a good teacher - - he did fine on the few Sundays he was allowed to teach. Most of the instructors during those years were adjunct faculty from the field or VPW himself his last year of his life. J.