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I dunno. It seems it's (huper fundamentalist) Christianity, that buries itself.. how can one be logically accused of "targeting" something that seems intent on killing itself.. in other words, targeting itself? pretty weird.. sleep WHAT off? I wish they still sold something that I could sleep off.. sleep off.. usually "sleep off" works for sedatives.. no thanks. for some the "trip" needed Thorazine to "sleep it off". No thanks.. How do you know? Maybe he was just being honest. As in.. if you are the cat's meow here.. lets see YOU walk on water.. I dunno. Fair question, to me..

I wish it was that innocent.. I would tend more, to call it opportunism. a dollar to be donated.. or extorted..

*Mr* linder. or now 178 pound 5 foot 9/1/2 replacement. Please extend this olive branch to rosie, et al. Hopefully while I'm still alive. Well.. in this particular small existence..

if it makes any difference, I didn't slander anyone here. Maybe you need to define the term "slander". slander is slander, if it is not based in fact. Now, as far as CFF is concerned.. outside of some doctrinal differences. I really have no charge to lay here.. or if I could rephrase it.. they haven't given me a reason to lay any charge. My take on it.. they at best TOLERATE being associated with the victoid's name. If they start building shrines, memorial gardens, rock gardens.. groves to herr vicmeister, we might have to REALLY part company.. a couple of their affiliates have. Well.. CFF itself, I can't say I know what they've done for the last two years. I hope not building shrines.. At this point.. I don't see them being any different than another church.. I hope I am not disappointed in this perception..

"by the numbers" I'm supposed to be some kind of peacemaker. Good luck..

It just looks to me.. like the same scenery, whether observed from either party line..

at great risk of turning "political" here.. are they not poor republican voters, housed in cheap tenements? sorry, I was just sent to observe here..

and why did he have to be so g*wd d*amned greedy.. it's a lifestyle of greed, plain and simple.. "gawd's abundance".. at any cost. how many cars does one need.. the comments on his myspace page from his "peers" were really most troubling. The more I read, the less "endearing" the "young man" was to me.. I'm surprised they are even still there. Or even that the page hasn't been taken off line.. I've met others like him, in "real life". the bosses "kid".. the most hypocritical part of it.. is how they savagely bite the hand that feeds them. You know.. "big government".. they LOVE the welfare, the Pell grants, food banks, free health care.. but they despise the cost. Or the mere suggestion that they should have to pay..

sadly some of his descendants choose to roll in his iniquity..

Well.. would it it an honest assessment to say that he is ruined? At least in the sense of ever handling anybody else s money again.. and I would assume he is going to spend quite a stay in prison.. probably won't be a country club either..

What I find interesting.. the "kid" is so young. So young.. seems to have a car collection.. he's what.. 23 years old? Or so it seems. Graduated from high school in 2007? How did he end up in Colorado? Did he have a college degree?

Makes perfect sense. gawd forbid he should work at a fast food assembly line or something.. what else can an ex-way sycophant actually DO?

Hmm. Well, I will say this is a speculation on my part.. Wouldn't they have to give the money back? I mean, it's kinda like receiving stolen property, isn't it?

especially when from one of "their own kind". I'll bet the ADORED him before he got caught. Next thought, for me.. how much of the marks ("believers") investment went into way coffers, in the form of "abundant sharing"? Did they receive any of the stolen money?

sorry, I'm supposed to be "involved". Sorry, no one really asked me.. should have asked me when you had a chance..

I hope the organization hasn't aligned itself to the devil, or something like that..

Where it is seven years later.. I really can't say..

CFF doesn't seem to get a lot of flack here.. for a few good reasons.. they figured out that their "abundance" was given to them, for a reason.. other than their own egotistical, pudgy selves. at least once. That I can document..

If you don't mind me saying.. when my kid was undergoing chemo treatments.. cff chose to supply the transportation so she could at the least have a comfortable trip to Royal Oak. The only thing I can say is.. they did their best, at the moment, to live outside of the box. This was when John was still pres. I don't know about now.. where it comes to sowers though.. I hope we don't have to "part company".. I don't think they officially support it. I think it's a rogue operation.. even by offshoot standards..

because of the very nature of things.. they were FORCED to return some kind of "blessing". I can only think of two times that has happened.. I just wish they did something with the few millions they have left, for good, at least before the lawyers divide it.. and to those building dwellings about the mother t(w)it.. I would suggest. don't expect for participation in a bankrupt organization to look good on a resume..

I love you Socks. as a.. Christian brother. Nothing weird. I tend to think.. if you don't mind me putting your thoughts in my words.. I don't subscribe to a quasi logical premise that "because da way said it/taught it/looked at it once.. It must therefore be RIGHT.. or is that the other way around. your words, in my thoughts..

now that I've half a chance to think about it.. sometime *it* worked.. that is the three stooges moves on the field.. in "the real world".. that kind of incompetence would work, only once.. and after one "victory".. the "enemy" really has figured you out..

what is interesting.. one could bring these accusations to somebody depressed.. and they might agree. they KNOW the family isn't being fed. They KNOW the ever continuing presence of dust bunnies.. Nice one can point fingers.. the response might be "HOW am I supposed to be able to get OUT of what I find myself it.." supposed to be a "how to" *ministry*.. lets see the how..

sounds like a fair statement.. just because he used a torch to "finish off" cake recipes, does not make all cakes evil and possessed and all.. so cakes outside of *ministry* confinement just might just be OK?

I had a really, really weird dream last night. The ex and I figured out that we needed to really be the ones to guide this family.. what a weird dream. in the dream, she admitted that she lost everything.. I could be really damned bitter here, if I chose to be..