Ham

So I'm still waiting here.. HOW was vic's "ministry" a safe harbor, or a safe haven? How was his "organization" even a *ministry*?

This post probably belongs here. I really think you have a persecution complex of sorts. Is this how you justify your existence? talk about how a woman buzzing around like a fly.. and needs clocked? Then wonder.. "duhhhh.. what did *I* ever do... duhhhhhhh.." must just be those pesky devils.. do you REALLY think you represent God Almighty, and people vehemently disagreeing with you gives you some kind of verification?

Perhaps. And perhaps.. *mr* iam. Do you have an inordinate need for "persecution"? You know.. they come to twig, see your books. Look the hoodlum up.. and they slowly back away. No real argument. So what to do.. take the "battle" to the "enemy"? Do you really think the inhabitants of GS are a mass shelter for devil spirits, and it is your mission to "clear them out"? There are a few problems with this notion.. Either 1. We are. And you apparently don't have the authority to bind us or silence us in vic's name. 2. We are. And the name you are using does not have any real authority.. 3. You're dead wrong, There are no devils here, no "persecution" from "the enemy". 4. You are seriously deluded. 5. ... I left the options open here..

So many assumptions here. just wonder.. why do you want to convince ME? Who is trying to stop you? maybe this is the only audience you can quote that much bible? Or is it that every time someone new comes to your "twig", they see herr doktor's books lining the shelf, and look him up on the internet? He was less than a dirtbag.. now, CFF hasn't given me a reason to think that of them.. a few that still fawn over the remembrance of the "founder".. that gives me a sick feeling. Maybe they just don't know what he did.. maybe they are too terrified to consider it.. but as far as being a CHURCH.. they don't appear malevolent or anything..

and that is why I hope they don't accept the god forsaken example of sowers.. what do you do with a "follower" that finds more sense in the thought of reincarnation.. throw me away.. you are losing a lot here.. Hopefully the "founder" isn't singing.. I'm my own Grandpa... I'm my own grandpa... Priceless..

Our fader in da word. Drambuie be thy name.. thy kingdom(?) come.. hollow be thy name..

I dunno. It seems it's (huper fundamentalist) Christianity, that buries itself.. how can one be logically accused of "targeting" something that seems intent on killing itself.. in other words, targeting itself? pretty weird.. sleep WHAT off? I wish they still sold something that I could sleep off.. sleep off.. usually "sleep off" works for sedatives.. no thanks. for some the "trip" needed Thorazine to "sleep it off". No thanks.. How do you know? Maybe he was just being honest. As in.. if you are the cat's meow here.. lets see YOU walk on water.. I dunno. Fair question, to me..

I wish it was that innocent.. I would tend more, to call it opportunism. a dollar to be donated.. or extorted..

*Mr* linder. or now 178 pound 5 foot 9/1/2 replacement. Please extend this olive branch to rosie, et al. Hopefully while I'm still alive. Well.. in this particular small existence..

if it makes any difference, I didn't slander anyone here. Maybe you need to define the term "slander". slander is slander, if it is not based in fact. Now, as far as CFF is concerned.. outside of some doctrinal differences. I really have no charge to lay here.. or if I could rephrase it.. they haven't given me a reason to lay any charge. My take on it.. they at best TOLERATE being associated with the victoid's name. If they start building shrines, memorial gardens, rock gardens.. groves to herr vicmeister, we might have to REALLY part company.. a couple of their affiliates have. Well.. CFF itself, I can't say I know what they've done for the last two years. I hope not building shrines.. At this point.. I don't see them being any different than another church.. I hope I am not disappointed in this perception..

"by the numbers" I'm supposed to be some kind of peacemaker. Good luck..

It just looks to me.. like the same scenery, whether observed from either party line..

at great risk of turning "political" here.. are they not poor republican voters, housed in cheap tenements? sorry, I was just sent to observe here..

and why did he have to be so g*wd d*amned greedy.. it's a lifestyle of greed, plain and simple.. "gawd's abundance".. at any cost. how many cars does one need.. the comments on his myspace page from his "peers" were really most troubling. The more I read, the less "endearing" the "young man" was to me.. I'm surprised they are even still there. Or even that the page hasn't been taken off line.. I've met others like him, in "real life". the bosses "kid".. the most hypocritical part of it.. is how they savagely bite the hand that feeds them. You know.. "big government".. they LOVE the welfare, the Pell grants, food banks, free health care.. but they despise the cost. Or the mere suggestion that they should have to pay..

sadly some of his descendants choose to roll in his iniquity..

Well.. would it it an honest assessment to say that he is ruined? At least in the sense of ever handling anybody else s money again.. and I would assume he is going to spend quite a stay in prison.. probably won't be a country club either..

What I find interesting.. the "kid" is so young. So young.. seems to have a car collection.. he's what.. 23 years old? Or so it seems. Graduated from high school in 2007? How did he end up in Colorado? Did he have a college degree?

Makes perfect sense. gawd forbid he should work at a fast food assembly line or something.. what else can an ex-way sycophant actually DO?

Hmm. Well, I will say this is a speculation on my part.. Wouldn't they have to give the money back? I mean, it's kinda like receiving stolen property, isn't it?

especially when from one of "their own kind". I'll bet the ADORED him before he got caught. Next thought, for me.. how much of the marks ("believers") investment went into way coffers, in the form of "abundant sharing"? Did they receive any of the stolen money?

sorry, I'm supposed to be "involved". Sorry, no one really asked me.. should have asked me when you had a chance..

I hope the organization hasn't aligned itself to the devil, or something like that..

Where it is seven years later.. I really can't say..

CFF doesn't seem to get a lot of flack here.. for a few good reasons.. they figured out that their "abundance" was given to them, for a reason.. other than their own egotistical, pudgy selves. at least once. That I can document..

If you don't mind me saying.. when my kid was undergoing chemo treatments.. cff chose to supply the transportation so she could at the least have a comfortable trip to Royal Oak. The only thing I can say is.. they did their best, at the moment, to live outside of the box. This was when John was still pres. I don't know about now.. where it comes to sowers though.. I hope we don't have to "part company".. I don't think they officially support it. I think it's a rogue operation.. even by offshoot standards..