Ham

what troubles me is the categorization of human beings.. I dunno. One has to consider.. the clueless empty sliding by.. has the same brain weight as you do..

Perhaps.. instead of being an earthen vessel.. one was an empty soda pop or even worse, a discarded beer can? honestly.. my thoughts here are. *they* are stalled animals, in the devils barn. Why can't we have *them* in *our* barn? maybe I'm over thinking this..

it depends, I guess. If they legalized recreational use of marijuana in Michigan, you'd have your question answered.. well.. my hair, is short, relatively. At least the little bit that is left.. I've gone back to school. More, and more, and more school.. now the only two options left are.. a *real* job, and pot..

I always wondered about this.. witnessing and undershepherding? Doesn't that imply.. that one considers PEOPLE as mindless SHEEP that need some form of "herding"? The general idea I got from this was.. People are supposedly like sheep. Mindless.. not "stupid", but mindless. They need *our* "services". Otherwise, they are headed to dangers unimaginable, which they cannot possibly imagine. An enemy, that they cannot see. They need special *protection* from da *enemy*. Such as wolves.. jackals, other animals that prey on non-carnivorous creatures.. but isn't that a trait that is exhibited by a domesticated animal? Stalled, fattened and protected from wild animals.. to end up on the dinner table? so people are in general are supposed to be mindless, domesticated brutes, destined to be fodder at the tables of devils, etc. etc? is that what loy thought when he described "unbelievers" as "empties" floating by in the river of life? too many questions..

he doesn't seem to be "herding" very well lately here though.. "cmon, you damned sheep.. tow the line, tow the line.." "it's da WORD fer crying out loud.." Sorry John. that is just my perception here.. My apologies to the audience here. I am far too easily amused..

either that or the bestest witnesser and undershepherder I've ever seen..

I dunno. Three out of four might work for me..

I hope you aren't suggesting that Squirrels want to sleep with you.. *we* have to be invited.

the really hard part was what to do with a few pieces of the holy.. a few frames of pfal. "Given" from da ministry..

so.. I took this well worn with notes bible. and put it in the recycler.. really.. if I need to remember the figures of speech.. the usages of greek words.. the author will have to remind me..

gawd.. I love that question. what if you found everything you believed was wrong.. sometimes I forward it to others, when appropriate.. :) honestly.. what would you do..

a very good friend once asked me.. what if you found everything you believed was wrong.. how does that fare with those who deceived me along the way.. maybe I shouldn't say. What would you do.. I dunno. Maybe I just deceived myself.. so I answer. Maybe they were doing the best they knew to do.. and the answer was something like.. "you are very generous".. How can one *really* hate one self..

It's love. say the word, and you'll be free.. I dropped all of my defenses once here, and got creamed.. I would do it again, if I were invited..

who is this (perhaps) poverty stricken, *man* with a message? I've had the "message" once.. it all does not depend on *me*. thats what got my attention in *mr* iams post. "why don't they believe *me*.." the vicster never figured it out.. in a cosmic sense, I have no idea where that leaves him.. but it doesn't look good.. if he had to live the rest of eternity with his unwarranted and unbridled egotism.. wouldn't that qualify as hell? just a thought..

and to you, dear friend. I say, the same as to my dear friend here.. I am not laughing AT you. I am laughing, at the absurdity of it all..

it's horrible. somehow.. I don't think it is going to be me going into the river Thames, or whatever name it is..

I dunno. Maybe we are looking for *real* people here.. it's his thread. Tell me to go somewhere else.. no problem.. John, I know you are *real*. At least I hope so..

A complete copy of the 62 page syllabus. the customary use and usages of pneuma hagion.. dechomai, lambano. Not only limited to the english word translated "receive". Pletho, pleroo.. usages of the genitive case, from Bullinger. whole pages of pfal book materials. inserted in loose leaf pages, right next to scripture.. some of Bullinger's structures. Oh, the structures in Ephesians. Copied from forbidden way material, ill gotten notes from a poor sucker, intent on leadership in da ministry.. and what else. figures of speech. Polysendeton.. asydenditon.. etc. etc.. so.. what was in YOUR bible?

I had in my Oxford loose leaf bible..a complete transcription of the 62 page holy relic.. every usage of lambano and dechomai, not just those translated as "recieve" diligently marked.. whole pages of literal "translations" by da way.. most of the intermediate class syllabus.. every reference in Bullinger's "also".. figures of speech.. maybe this needs a new thread..

I gave all that junk to one of my kids to sell on Ebay. Never happened. It was "rescued" by an offshoot.. gawd forbid, that we have da greatness of da word, fall into "enemy" hands.. very, very interesting.. I don't know about now. But the ex regarded these materials, even after they horribly failed.. as some kind of TREASURE.. really, really, weird.. explains a lot, to me. So all I have to do, to get the seven to nine syllabi, pfal books, and the rest of the junk back.. is to.. go back to "twig". no thanks. keep your ill gotten "treasure".. in the mean time. Please scratch my name off of the inside covers..

"you know, my Critics say I got my degree at a diploma mill.. well. you know, *Dr* Lininger.." oh yeah.. even the syllabus. I don't have it any more but.. wasn't it claimed to be the work of *dr* vp wienerville?

how do you know.. were you there? and that perhaps is the focal point of the error. "why don't you believe.. *MEEE.." believe what.. colonic scrubbing, with psyllium seed and a colloidal suspension of bentonite was the *way* to true spirituality? colon cleansing.. wild conspiracy theories.. far out doctrines.. drambuie and female "companionship" unlimited.. you know he really wasn't a doctor, don't you? Do you remember "Dr Bronner's" magic soap? I actually emailed them, and asked about the "dr's" credentials. and they gave me an honest reply. "no, he REALLY wasn't a doctor.." why can't old wayfers be just as honest?

I dunno. Why is it so frightening, for some, to be not any different than anyone else.. no *special* privileges .. no *special* treatment.. there are no guarantees here.. safe harbor? You've got to be kidding..

yes, and how did that turn out.. I can say one thing how that's worked out.. we have one poster here.. convinced of some kind of illusion of safety.. how many years after the demise of herr victser.. can't describe it, or define it. But somehow, it is there..