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and if he really taught his men(?) da "greatness of da WORD".. in doctrine and practice, why did they go along with it? I guess the concept is "no friends when it comes to da word" only when it is not convenient..

I can cite several examples of offshoots trying to spend vic's magical law of believing and "ministering".. only to the end the person did not survive.. I wouldn't dream of revealing names here.. the consequences of this nonsense is really enough for someone to live through once.. but really. In the *real world*.. sometimes you see spontaneous remission from disease. To hold up an isolated example and claim it as some kind of "victory" for da "dr"'s magical formula.. you have to likewise REALLY explain the other 99 percent of times it ended up in failure..

the next thought.. if you acquire a counterfiet note, somehow, in exchange for a bigger bill at a store.. or something. What is the real reason that makes a person horribly horribly angry and upset when they try to turn it in at the bank? I think its a realization that one owns a copy of the *real thing* which has NO POWER.

actually.. why have WIVES when you can have an inner circle of underhanded, ruthless cutthroats and worse who can supply you with a steady stream of DISPOSABLE women? No, they weren't his wives.. no *real* commitment on his part..

So does anyone know the status of this little "misadventure" in "believing" yet?

here is a link to the original song. Note the author's last name is not Wienerville. http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis2/family.html He didn't hesitate "adapting" it however..

What about the *official* way corps song? I think that was in the blue songbook as well.. I understand they had a few copyright "issues" with this one. I remember a meeting a long time ago. They passed out sheets with the lyrics to this song, and CAREFULLY collected them at the end of the meeting..

that is the essence of the "soapbox" isn't it? an arrogant superiority to our lowly mortals *small* dose of morals, etc., etc..? da word of vic, properly applied, will wipe you clean..

a lot of people deal with "the end of the world" in a few different ways.. the vampires get careless. Well some.. I mean, if its the end of the world.. who cares if one leaves a blood trail.. and that's the kicker. It just might NOT be the end of the world..

so we were all mindless brutes.. it doesn't shock me.. surprise me. Or scare me.. I figure whatever judgment or karma or whatever it is.. I've spent the last ten years or so, trying not to be the same, brutish, primitive bastard.. well, in real life here.

but really.. what will you say when you are confronted with that little spot in existence.. that no excuses will allow you to pass.. Emerson Lake and Palmer once had a nice song describing this..

if there is anything you could say here, without recrimination (or incrimination).. what would it be.. well. technically, without incriminating yourself.. "I was a blowhard.. a schmuck.. deceived.. a stooge.. a witting or unwitting enabler of ungodliness.. " I would claim all of the above.. what's really wrong with the end of the world?

NOT sharing a common "faith" can be a very, very, good thing..

You must have blindly tripped over yourself during a few posts. Maybe that's it..

didn't have the right face on the dead president's position. best I can figure..

I have more underhanded slurs that would more than accurately describe them. but no. No, I won't say.. I'm going for 12,000. fat chance..

better stuff their pockets with ten of my *vicster* bucks so they don't get busted for vagarancy.. Now, you'll have to bring them all back you know. Spend any of them.. and its unbelief and removal from da program..

absolutely accepted at *practically* any offshoot.

here is some "currency" for them to spend. "Martha.. hurry.. get the printing presses moving fer gawd's sake.." http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/gallery/image/1214-the-real-dollars/

I wonder what "revs" do when offshoots hand them the pink slip..

vp said.. vp said. vp said what? What I don't understand is how you can't see he lived a LIFE of dissonance. "preach da word" on one hand, "screw the sheep" on the other. "humble" and "unassuming" in public on one hand.. and in more private settings, a tyrant, and one who thrived on praise and attention on the other.. a "founder" and "researcher" as far a persona on one side.. but a thief and plagiarist and worse on the other. "nothing but da word" on one hand, then a hater of the Word on the other (biblically justifying alcoholism, adultery, rape, extreme opulence and the like..) "vp said". Is THAT your "soapboax"? The words of vic are holy or something? when two "duties" are clear. Do I take advantage of my position, and mercilessly screw or worse those "under my charge", or not.. isn't that a plain enough "duty"?

If truth does not evolve or grow.. its dead, isn't it? but that's not what you are saying, or is it?

hah. The offshoot here was trying a few years to write a mission statement. Well.. what is it that makes us DIFFERENT.. not much..