Ham

don't get too tired friend.. my other friend here sees the book of revelation coming to life through world events.. I don't know if I entirely agree, yet..

well.. there is this little community college.. that might want me just to teach.. MATH. I have no idea where all of this is leading.. I duuno why I chose math. It was my weak spot.. at least at the time.. maybe that's why.. I put myself in a position that I would have to improve myself.. failure really is an option here.. well.. it's looking less so as I go..

dunno. I'm too tired for "research". That is, unless it is something that I personally am interested in..

I really hope, in the end the same thing can not be said for me. well.. the first semester. No *real* training.. well, a few useful pointers, but.. a graduate assistant teacher, especially the first semester, is just, plain, AWFUL. somehow the Intermediate Algebra students survived..

I like the dark sayings.. the older we get.. the more we can spiritually "mature". No, not in way terminology. they live in perpetual spring time, or so they think.. like giddy teenagers. They don't have a clue.. what does one do, when ones youth fails, ones teeth fall out, and the money fails.. It's like.. sitting around the campfire.. and telling ghost stories that may be true.. the "elders" of "da way" have been deprived of this. Or when the end comes, they are forced to spin their yarns somewhere else..

so.. where do the accusations of "yentsing (excuse the spelling) the church secretary" fit in the chronology here?

I mean.. how many kids did he have to support at the time? And wife. And who knows when he started with "concubines".. He could always have gone back(?) to farming.. I think he literally "snapped".. would explain a lot..

I dunno. I would agree that he didn't have an entire lack of qualifications. A master's degree in almost anything isn't an easy route.. and the school was reputable. So he got a degree in homiletics. way history seems pretty silent on when he got his fake "doctorate". later? Why don't they say exactly WHEN? Does anybody even know? So he went from college, with a legitimate masters degree. Went into the denomination, "pastored" a church.. Threatened with defrockation and the "bums" rush from the organization in whom invested a little authority in him.. his ordination would not have meant squat. So to speak.. was it at this time he decided he'd better have a back up plan? as in.. *some* credentials, though manufactured, are better than none at all?

If it involved the "law of believing".. it didn't work very well, now did it..

but there are some who for one reason or another are intent on propping it up.. at this point.. the only motivation I can think of, is.. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Is he any relation to bob?

so.. 1998 to present. Kind of a lot of time to construct a few answers, no? yes, feel free..

so who is this character? anybody know him? s*anley that is..

bitterness of soul seems to be a "biblical" concept. does "bitterness" make one.. 1. wrong. false conclusion, your logic is flawed, only because.. you are... bitter.. 2. possessed. 3. etc. "why would I want to spend time with such a bunch of BITTER people.." well.. maybe.. because that is all that is or are, around.. must have been the automatic spell check. I wrote "bitter".. it spelled "bigger"..

oh yes.. little words that mean big things.. I was surprised though, with the *warning* to avoid subjects herrrrr manowagd did not peruse, and expound on first.. it's like.. were "bible studies" to be classified among "curious arts"? I can't remember her name. Nor do I have the old syllabus in front of me.. It "graces" the bookshelf of some little known offshoot adherent somewhere.. when I die.. these frigging numbnuts will break out the old sylabi.. "this is ham's *heritage*.." they did that to one guy here who I knew who died..

I commented at the said site. It was polite, no "bad words" or anything. The immediate response? actually, it was pretty benign. It was Waysider's famous quote..

I would really like to see some documentation here.. but the claim, even if TRUE.. he chose the EASY WAY OUT. That is.. not the dedication, persevearance and just plain hard work that it would take to go to a *real* university, and EARN the doctorate.. but I reject the claim to begin with. The "other side" must prove its claim.. Here is an interesting item from the pro vicsters. here is the link to *mr* st*anley's take: http://www.biblicalresearchjournal.org/brj-pages_html/001bp_upcoming.html

another thought. How many drool marks are in your old bible? You know. da manogawd, or whoever it was.. droning on for hours about the great significance of the word "of".. so dreadfully bored, not to tears, but to drool.. I'm really thinking of "da vey tree" class. I think I had at least one page soaked.. what ever happened to that guy.. I hope he got a little excitement (beyond a few sexual *excursions*) in his life..

from the "pro" wienerville site: so through HIS books.. HIS classes.. I don't know about you.. but I was among those whose constant cheer leading kept a crowd of people "blessed" enough to be in "da class" to not fall into such a deep sleep that they would from sheer boredom start drooling on themselves.. no kidding.. it was *his* great accomplishment? He lead them? No.. it was *us*.. and for that, I offer my most sincere apology..

so, if Lininger was a "well known homiletition".. hows come an internet search with his name only turns up results from Juedes site, GS and a couple wienerville lover pages?

http://www.precastconcrete.org/~messiah7/quz_ipikepk.htm How could one know when vic was lying? When he was moving his mouth.. fabricated snow storms, angels, and a "doctorate" and even the "school"(see above photo) administrator's qualifications as well.. "but you're just a bitter arse kisser. Go read the bible.." http://www.biblicalresearchjournal.org/brj-pages_html/001mm04_teachings_vpw.html Invited to study at Oxford??? his lips were moving again..

a quote from your source: Why can't one come to that conclusion without being labeled as being among the most bitter, twi arse kissers? I mean, the logic is impeccible. 1. da vicster lied about taking Moody bible courses 2.. da vicster got a fake degree run by a a degree mill, run out of the back door of a boarding house.. THEREFORE.. he MUST have done it to greatly inflate his credentials qualifying him as a bible teacher.. well.. you're just a butt kisser.. maybe possessed, or influenced by debils.. besides, there are plenty of other good reasons to get an *honorary* doctorate degree.. I dunno about the rest here, but the huge "leaps of faith" in that kind of counter-"argument" kinda makes me go berserk.. well, in a good, non-bitter, self amused way..

and this is the next "argument" I can see coming.. "well. admittedly, he only had a master's degree in homiletics, and only an "honorary" doctorate degree. What difference does that make? That doesn't make him a bad man or anything.. why do you insist on being such a bitter, twi *leader's* rear kissing fool ?"

It's just another *subtle* method of "silencing the critics". The "exchange" goes something like this: "he wasn't really doctor, don't you know.." "you've just a bitter, dedicated butt kisser." "the vicster was an arrogant, egotistical bastard." "well, someone who would say that is a bitter, former adamant twi leader butt kisser. Does the shoe fit?" "the victoid was guilty of adultery, rape, intellectual dishonesty.." "well. Only a butt kisser, among the most bitter, would say something like that.." in other words, the facts make absolutely no difference here..

"my *critics* say I got my *doctors* at a degree mill.." since when does one become one among the most bitter former twi butt kissers because one makes this statement? "my critics.. they are ALWAYS working against me.. trying to frustrate da movement of da werd. " god forbid we should call a sleazeball *practically* defrocked *minister* on academic dishonesty.. including claims of taking every class Moody had to offer.. and unchecked plagiarism. not only did he have a fake degree.. he would have been defrocked, and likely tarred and feathered in the old church if he insisted on not "retiring".. what I can't see is the "bitterness" connection. How does making the above statement make one to be among the most bitter, most adamant butt kissers known to twi?