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odds are pretty astronomical, aren't they..

Maybe I should re-phrase that.. in traditional(?) way theology. He is excluded from real *serious* judgement. Other than relinquishing a *few* rewards. heaven bound. "all hell" can't stop him from going. Even himself. assured a *place* on God's right hand. lo shanta..

I mean in the "traditional" way lingo. saved from judgment basically. In the eternal sense. Being SO righteous that it is impossible to sin it out.. no matter what one does.. but the mind is not effected. Or so that is the claim.. so one can be a no good snake in the grass, on one hand, and not one, on the other.. a good friend from my youth was relating some of this "doctrine" to his father. The father steps back a minute, rubs his chin.. and says "it sounds to me like you are using the bible to go to hell.." true story.

so "satan" stands up and says, "he was no good, filthy, one who caused scandal and division among those who believe, a rapist, a false prophet and an immoral arrogant scumbag. " And the Eternal court says.. "is that all you've got? case closed." Really?

I dunno.. to me it looks like a cross between pathology and just plain deliberate lying.. He started out with *little* lies and plagiarism.. as as history progressed he had to fabricate bigger whoppers as he went.. to the extent he even believed quite a bit of it to be really convincing..

Oh, that son of mine..

and don't eat with your hand. Use your entrenching tool..

but this is only page 5..

Maybe only his hair dresser knows..

are you claiming that you are a witch? to set the record straight, I don't regard pfal a pile of p*gs*it because vic wasn't perfect. I regard it as such because the vicster was a monster, in a human skin. No idea where he got it from.. the skin that is. same old cliche.. that's where I disagree. The moment you take something divine, and slap a cheaply printed, adultery ridden and worse price tag on it, it turns into snake oil. The very moment..

sheesh. It looks like a Squirrel.. a Squirrel.. vs an amoebae..

I loved that link.. I still have a problem with human arrogance.. *they* (the animals) are under our authority.. how many ships could sport the presence of mighty battle cats.. hurray, hurry hurry. be among the first, the few, the chosen.. I've met christians who think they will have panthers at their side.. where are they going to come from? the small inconvenience of having a cat (or even human for that matter..) potty box on the ship would be a small price to pay.. lest you think I am derailing my vewy own thread. The Creator chose to use the names of some of these animals in the stars.. if you think the maintenance of a cat on a voyage to be unacceptable.. us humans are far, far more "messy"..

Yes, I can already give my report as to my own failures, and failings.. I've already done all of that.

so my thoughts are.. he had a couple of years, to plan a way (hiccup) out of his troubles.. so he wasn't "surprised".. or caught off guard. He saw it coming.. and prepared a whole facade of deception.. considering he left his youngest for a year or more with relatives.. no. it wasn't about them.. sorry, I was sent to observe here. I'm sincerely trying to make my observation accurate and all..

perhaps. :) my first thought though is.. if there is no room on the "ship" for the cats in my house, I'm not going. people can be soooo damned arrogant at times..

has anyone discussed this work here? I've started looking it over again. There has to be some relevance to the human (and non-human) soul.. I've been drawn to the section that talks about the constellation cancer, with ursa major, ursa minor (the great and lesser bear) and Argo, the ship.. first of all. If the ship comes, the cats come with me. No negotiation.. I'll do kitty box duty. No need for a "deity" to descend to such a duty.. so down to business. Bullinger talks about the "lesser" (or smaller) flock, the sheepfold and the sheep, and the ship. his claim on page 149 about the ship: "shows the travelers and the pilgrims brought safely home- all conflict over" am I even part of a "flock".. sometimes it really doesn't seem like it.. "everlasting habitation"? I don't know how "user friendly" it will be..

Ha.. well, it would agree with what I saw with the hurredly collected cheap prints of the *official* anthem of da way corps.. what didn't he steal.. I think the lyrics were in the blue song book..

don't get too tired friend.. my other friend here sees the book of revelation coming to life through world events.. I don't know if I entirely agree, yet..

well.. there is this little community college.. that might want me just to teach.. MATH. I have no idea where all of this is leading.. I duuno why I chose math. It was my weak spot.. at least at the time.. maybe that's why.. I put myself in a position that I would have to improve myself.. failure really is an option here.. well.. it's looking less so as I go..

dunno. I'm too tired for "research". That is, unless it is something that I personally am interested in..

I really hope, in the end the same thing can not be said for me. well.. the first semester. No *real* training.. well, a few useful pointers, but.. a graduate assistant teacher, especially the first semester, is just, plain, AWFUL. somehow the Intermediate Algebra students survived..

I like the dark sayings.. the older we get.. the more we can spiritually "mature". No, not in way terminology. they live in perpetual spring time, or so they think.. like giddy teenagers. They don't have a clue.. what does one do, when ones youth fails, ones teeth fall out, and the money fails.. It's like.. sitting around the campfire.. and telling ghost stories that may be true.. the "elders" of "da way" have been deprived of this. Or when the end comes, they are forced to spin their yarns somewhere else..

so.. where do the accusations of "yentsing (excuse the spelling) the church secretary" fit in the chronology here?

I mean.. how many kids did he have to support at the time? And wife. And who knows when he started with "concubines".. He could always have gone back(?) to farming.. I think he literally "snapped".. would explain a lot..