Ham

As far as the "star pictures" are concerned: from page 17. "There is nothing in the groups of stars to even suggest the figures. this is the first thing which is noticed by every one who looks at the constellations. Take for example the sign of Virgo, and look at the stars. There is nothing whatever to suggest a human form; still less is there anything to show whether that form is a man or a woman. And so with all the others."

Some might consider some of Bullinger's structures contrived.. but what he does with Psalm 19 on Pages 2-6 is impressive.. of course the vicster greatly plagiarized this in the CFAS class..

sometimes, they enjoy the pictures that illustrate the text.. Bullinger does have a lot of nice pictures. plus he cites his sources. Rolleston, Seiss, Kinns.. this seems to be the "softest" work by Bullinger. page iv.. he leaves it up to the reader to judge how far his conclusions are borne out of the evidence.. to me that seems reasonable.

the way I understand this, so far 9 out of 11 claim that examining the life of vic, he was either not "born again" or they could not tell..

So its all over except for rosie's marking and avoiding, putting on probation, etc, etc.. with all the fuss, you'd think old rosie was among the "investors"..

"connect" really gets my attention.. do we want to connect or not.. you are going to have to let go of a whole bunch of s*it. I've already let go, and lost everything as it is. except for love.. sorry if it is demanding too much of mortal participants here..

It's really a hard question to ask, I think.. what does one do, coming face to face with a Charlatan on the other side of existence.. I've had a lot of dreams.. no, vic was not in any one of them.. no question and answer session.. I've had a couple of dreams like that, with those still living.. no reply yet. Maybe they are still thinking or something..

but to bring it back to topic. Posters here, don't have to worry about topic. On my threads, anyway.. we usually end up in some wonderful place.. just what was the topic.. the vicster. Born again? In way terms.. a free pass to paradise, or the gathering together.. or the third heaven and third earth.. or a free pass beyond the judgment at the lake of fire.. or whatever it i supposed to be.. I don't think so. You'd have to modify too many of the words of Jesus to include him. "come, thou slothful sycophant, existing on the back of others labors.." that's it! You found it..

maybe "rosie the eternally nipping (and barking)".. no, her royal sycophantess doesn't seem to sport a similar name.. vicster. Loyster. husband of Donster? Or is it wife?

"most pathetic" might actually be a good description here.. on a practical level.. one has to believe one's own falsehood at least to the extent that one can sell it..

born again? eternal life? come thou cherished child, into thy eternal reward? You've got to be kidding me.. It doesn't exactly rhyme. But who says it has to..

so.. if the miserable bastard wasn't god on a stick.. what was he? What kind of entity are we dealing with here? *ham passes out lead lined gloves to the other examiners*..

why is it.. that this seems to be some kind of cosmic debriefing.. I mean, we've fought the fight, observed da vicster. the loyster.. da.. I can't think of a rhyming name for the new pres. Now we compare notes..

odds are pretty astronomical, aren't they..

Maybe I should re-phrase that.. in traditional(?) way theology. He is excluded from real *serious* judgement. Other than relinquishing a *few* rewards. heaven bound. "all hell" can't stop him from going. Even himself. assured a *place* on God's right hand. lo shanta..

I mean in the "traditional" way lingo. saved from judgment basically. In the eternal sense. Being SO righteous that it is impossible to sin it out.. no matter what one does.. but the mind is not effected. Or so that is the claim.. so one can be a no good snake in the grass, on one hand, and not one, on the other.. a good friend from my youth was relating some of this "doctrine" to his father. The father steps back a minute, rubs his chin.. and says "it sounds to me like you are using the bible to go to hell.." true story.

so "satan" stands up and says, "he was no good, filthy, one who caused scandal and division among those who believe, a rapist, a false prophet and an immoral arrogant scumbag. " And the Eternal court says.. "is that all you've got? case closed." Really?

I dunno.. to me it looks like a cross between pathology and just plain deliberate lying.. He started out with *little* lies and plagiarism.. as as history progressed he had to fabricate bigger whoppers as he went.. to the extent he even believed quite a bit of it to be really convincing..

Oh, that son of mine..

and don't eat with your hand. Use your entrenching tool..

but this is only page 5..

Maybe only his hair dresser knows..

are you claiming that you are a witch? to set the record straight, I don't regard pfal a pile of p*gs*it because vic wasn't perfect. I regard it as such because the vicster was a monster, in a human skin. No idea where he got it from.. the skin that is. same old cliche.. that's where I disagree. The moment you take something divine, and slap a cheaply printed, adultery ridden and worse price tag on it, it turns into snake oil. The very moment..

sheesh. It looks like a Squirrel.. a Squirrel.. vs an amoebae..