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Heh.. God bless you, friend socksie.. well, I really mean it. personally, if he ended up with a good life, and didn't manage to damage too many people along the way, more power to him.. without his little requested posting for Paw to put up.. I probably wouldn't have given any more regarding him a second thought. Every once in a while, somebody from distant way past seems to surface, one place or another.. Hayes had a "funny" departure. You know, running for senate one moment.. the next moment, it was almost like he was never there.. I can almost hear in my head the last conversation. Call it some kind of psychic impression, an educated guess, or whatever. The "impression" was there over twenty years ago.. but it sounds like the vicster saying g-dammit over and over.. *I almost had a SENATOR in my back pocket.. g-dammit.. * etc. etc.. it would be nice to have confirmation, one way or another.. I still have the little red book I got in his "blessings of liberty" seminar. "Our Republic". I still correct people who call this a democracy.. "no, it's a REPRESENTATIVE form of government. or is SUPPPOSED to be.." "and I WASTED hundreds of thousands of dollars, loads of *my* believers time and support.." I really think he kicked hayes rear end over this.. it's just an impression. Call it what you will.. I could be entirely wrong..

Maybe I'm just trying to get it as well. He's involved in a non-profit "religious" organization, that backs him. He makes a break from the "liberal" republican party, and makes an independent run for senate.. when he loses the race, pitifully, at that.. his involvement with the group ends "abruptly". By his admission, practically the second he lost the election.. too many unanswered questions here. Too bad he won't come by to post.. I only have a few questions. 1. The abrupt departure, was it on your terms, or on "theirs"? Was the victoid calm and understanding about your defeat? Or were you exposed to what could be described as "not his good side"? What was the last communication with hq like? Well.. this is all one question. Just needs a few details.. I'm sure you remember them, like they happened yesterday.. 2. Did you previously buy into the victoid's wild conspiracy theories bought from the press of liberty lobby? Or currently?

and.. who were the "several others"? only one I knew about was Gahagan..

Plus carefully worded. Whose "members" supported my campaign. There were only three "members" at the time wern't there? You know.. the characters who ran the organization? Three characters.. running a religious organization, supporting a political candidate, directly through the organization.. just might say more than he meant to say.. or knew he was saying.. doesn't the IRS frown on this kind of activity for a non-profit outfit?

So, are you saying that da way's associate in thelogy, is basically useless? Well, that is the whole point I think here.. outside of a few offshoots, it really isn't worth the paper it is printed on. Except for evidence that one was "there".. the sad thing is that some of you worked harder for that little piece of paper, far more than da victoid worked for his "doctorate".. a degree mill worked for him, I guess that will suffice for you..

I remember da victoids comments about hayes.. "such a *fine* believer.. he'd follow me and go in da corps.."

I wonder if his "involvement" with da ministry ended with a bang.. only he could tell his own story here, but I'll bet the victoid was not impressed with such a dismal showing at the polls.. I wonder how the parting "conversation" went..

I duuno. too scary.. where do we go from here.. fair question, I think.. maybe you'll have to rate yourself.. scary, I know.. I am........ what..

Bastards, and Frogs. maybe that is another subject here..

especially to, the frog.. hmm. my brother had a friend, whos personality ended up being "frog".. better be careful fella..

My dear, dear friend here.. she described the Wayside Central.. as.. a.. Meat market. I'm sorry that I am so damned clueless. I thought it was just a place that a bunch of damned green colored students were going to, to get drunk out of their minds on St. Patricks day.. she looks at me. No you friggin idjit. It's a place they are trying to find a pice of.. azz. God bless you, friend..

the "core curriculum" usually is worth four credits per class. Calculus I, II, III, makes up about 12 credits. then there is Linear Algebra, Differential equations. These are generally worth six credits in community college, but in the four year university, end up being accepted as four credits. in way terms, pfal I II and III are worth about 12 credits. If it makes any difference to anybody here. I studied and mastered Calculus I, II and almost all of III on my own. before I set my fanny down in any class.. I don't know how much good it really did me .. I found Calculus I, II, III an easy 'A'.. but outside of my comfort zone, it was not always so much fun..

what was worst the first semester.. hmm. I'm really glad I can record this SOMEWHERE.. thank you Paw, and various moderators.. what was the absolute worst. Here it is.. I am over fifty years old. I'm in a graduate program. With a graduate assistantship, to teach intermediate algebra. I'm over fifty years old.. and these students expect to find somebody of my age to have about twenty years of education, tenurship.. no. I was, at fifty some years old, very closely aligned to the cluelessness as the twenty something graduate assistants.. well.. this time around I more closely fit the mold..

So to learn to teach. Gawd almighty.. I have at least one dear friend I've met here.. this was his first year teaching with a graduate assistantship.. he's probably about 25 years old.. I say something like.. it really isn't ethical larning how to teach in these conditions.. and my friend agrees.. no, you don't technically damage the students. You don't teach anything that is technically *wrong*.. but no, otherwise, the first time around, you are just plain awful.. It brings me back to the one character who went through this and got a doctorate. He came to Saginaw Valley.. the *message* was something like.. "thank God for beer.." ah yes. The students agree here.. St. Patricks day. I saw about 150 students, dressed in various shades of green.. heading to the.. Wayside Bar and Grill.. some were some of mine.. where do we go from here..

I took a half a year of Spanish at this university. If decided to be a Chemist, it would have ended up being two semesters of German.. well, I am a chemist. Kind of.. So where do we go from here. I have twenty years experience in electronics and electronic repair.. a *real* four year degree in *almost* computational mathematics, and beyond. four semesters experience, teaching intermediate algebra. God have mercy on my first set of students.. well, on me too.. and at the end of the semester, I will be approximately 5 credits away from a Masters degree in math.. I hope the students in my first horrid offering of Math 105 are likewise 5 credits away from some kind of degree.. In all fairness. I should have done this about forty years ago..

well.. I mean, isn't that the CORE CURRICULUM in way theology? in math curriculum, that would entail Calculus I, II and III..

It's something like a command in machine language that says "arimethic shift right" and you look at what comes out of the other end.. there was a catalog for da way once.. maybe somebody could post it.. you know, the curriculum, the classes, the requirements.. what is interesting here. here is the curriculum for "applied mathematics". http://catalog.svsu.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=12&poid=1088&returnto=165 if I went back and took Math 211, I would have a double major. Mathematics, and Applied mathematics.. I held out for the 400 level statistics course though, but the seldom offer it.. If one were to count "PFAL, foundational, intermedaiate, and advanced" as core classes. That sill only adds about 12 credits..

so... what comprised the qualifications for the baccalaureate in *theology*? I'm just trying to count marbles here. Ignore me, if I seem troublesome.. I really don't intend to be.. what do we have from da way. figures of speech I. Introduction to Hebrew Introduction to Greek Introduction to Aramaic Church history(!).. *practical* theology(?) Psychology 101. (no, never in da way..) competent(?) to counsel.. how to stand up in front of a group and make ridiculous claims.. what ever happened to basic english and history? I'm still only counting about 29 credits here.. there are about 110 more.. well, at least towards a "baccalaureate".. or in HONEST terms, a Bachellor's degree.. maybe beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. what is it, exactly, that you "completed"? No. I won't say it is "useless". I successfully "completed" a few electronics courses in the late seventies through Heath Educational Systems. close to 40 credits. No, they are not "accredited". not by state university standards.. I still include their reference on my resume.. Yeah, I can still program a 6800 processor to spit out square roots in binary..

Stretching.. just like the coffee for pfal. and the washed, re-used styrofoam cups. Lipstick stains, and bite marks included.. Here is the curriculum for a "baccalaureate" degree from the university I attended. Usually the list is as long and as difficult, for other majors. I have a major in math, minor in chemistry from this institution.. http://catalog.svsu.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=12&poid=1183&returnto=165 pretty impressive.. just some of the names of the class required, perhaps one cannot even define. at the moment, anyway.. notice there is no work "programme" to make the venture a "success". You know. "work will set you free.." or some such. Unless one considers lab hours in Physics 211, 212, Organic Chem I and II.. for your chosen minor. Even if not, One is required to sucessfully participate in a class involving some kind of physical science, including some form of lab work.. then there are more than departmental requirements. There are university requirements. They want a graduate to be able to: compose a major work, with proper documentation, and without plagiarism. be able to read and intelligently comment on others written works.. have a knowledge of modern history. And be able to consider the REASON behind modern historical contexts.. i.e.. what or why, would China have some kind of *issue* with its early encounters with western civilization. That was the required I chose to take. It had other labels, but that really basically was the *real* content of the course. Then one has to show proficiency, reading, writing and understanding a foreign language. Then there is at least one history class, where one has the rare priviledge of weighing their actions with global implications.. that's what a baccalaureate really entails.. unless it is earned from a degree mill..

I can't either.. Secretary Treasurer?? Wasn't he just a buffoon who worked at a lumber yard when victoid I met him? Qualifications for the "job". 1. can follow orders, without question. 2. has a drivers license, and can drive a motor-coach for various nefarious "activities". 3. will accept bribes in the form of women, money, and fame(?) 4. Can sign the checks. 5.. can follow orders, without question..

But back to the Associate Theology(?) Degree(?).. there are few places in the world that seem to "recognize" that little "diploma".. or attach any significance to the "holy spirit" ring that some recipients were able to purchase. Like.. maybe offshoots.. other places don't seem to give a rat's azz if one has evidence that they "studied" for two years in some cramped hall under victoid I or the loymeister's "feet"..

sorry for the multiple posts here. the "rest of you" just cant reply fast enough.. or maybe it is, you perfectly agree.. Christ. It's only Tuesday. Not some post at the moment at the end of the week or something..

why is it that offshoots feel entitled to a rating of one star.. Now that you have me talking.. the ex.. said.. they NEED somebody like you.. really? for what? fair question, I think..

:) I had an Oxford loose leaf bible. I know where I left it.. it had notes from every class I had attended. the rest of my way materials are "housed" at an offshoot leader's house. They think it some kind of treasure.. when I leave this evistence.. they will be exhumed.. so pathetic.. but both of my kids know how I feel..

so what does the storage advantage one.. I mean.. what is it. one is accustomed to a a slow, painful death vs. a slower, more painful death? I keep the batteries charged so I can tell your relatives how you are doing here, in face of natural or man-made disaster.. generally, the "health and welfare" information comes out of the effected area, not into it..