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that's all I could read.. shut up or make the hole slicker for me..

Gawd, this is priceless.. it's almost like you dropped acid right before social studies and history class..

Hey there! Where do I sign.. just wonder.. the new Choraleers have to wear sunglasses.. why? Maybe because of double or triple dilated eyes? gawd bless you brother, that says is all.. halelujah, and amen..

OKAY. The Squirrel of gawd is only half-drunk (all he can afford at the time..) da way. is it a church, or isn't it. Maybe only their hair-dresser knows for sure.. maybe we need to send in somebody to pull up the skirts, and examine the *evidence*. A church? No, that's not it.. :

Is it possible- that the demise of da way was ENGINEERED? Look at the larger picture: art and music was tightly regimented. A system of useless bureaucracy and unbridled rear kissing instituted.. the "research" department is whipped, leashed and muzzled, before being dissolved altogether.. the organization has no new products, nothing noteworthy to offer.. and especially, the installation of a second-rate buffoon as CEO, whose chief claim is the ability to jump in tights. and scream. and fornicate. Any other hidden talents we haven't heard about yet?

So what ideas were inculcated, what cognitive strategies or *professional(cough)* methodologies were inculcated during one's stay at da way? one "attitude" I saw first-hand.. don't you DARE touch *MY* (self) righteousness.. hissssss. As far as professional methodologies.. were we not "trained" to sell.. pfal, then intermediate, then what.. all kinds of little classes to get into the "big one".. then loy's half-baked set of classes.. no wonder da offshoots waited like vultures for victims fleeing da way: they were a ready-made sales force..

Though it now more resembles a row-boat, does it not?

And why is this? I'm referring to the first half of your statement here.. there are several "camps" I think.. those who think the victoid wasn't "a bad man.." overall. Just a little "dirty".. we can clean it up, or sweep it under the rug.. with regards to their old ministry connection, it's don't ask, don't tell. And if asked, "well, that really isn't relevant now.." then there are some who think there is no sanitation required. "God" can't have stains now, can he? The victoid was born of divine conception or something.. and go as far as to name their own offspring after herr vicmeister.. raise him thinking vic was some kind of saint.. perfect in all his ways before the "bad people" infiltrated the ministry. that is less than sad.. I'm really thinking it is more about the money. Broken down, bankrupt in retirement years.. no *real* skills to do anything else. They just don't have the *right name* to pull it off.. It's almost like a scene The Boys from Brazil.. a new Fuhrer(vicster) for the twentieth century, the twenty-first century, the twenty-second century..

But, but, but.. he's a nice guy! (most of the time. until you question his "research"). the vicster on the other hand, had the ability to be a nice guy, accidentally, and on occasion. rosie and the donster, on the other hand, I don't think they are either.. Maybe rosie will go down in way history being called "the Great Sanitizer"

Like an old "stowry".. A rich man died.. lived a life satisfying himself with riches and modern conveniences.. exotic comforts while his employees slaved away for less than minimum wage. He bought several churches and orphanages, had them torn down and turned into parking lots.. so he appears before st. Peter on the day of his death. Peter says.. I've never seen a case like this.. he hasn't done one good thing for anybody.. Peter's assistant, reading the scrolls says.. "You missed one here. He once gave a dollar to some poor schlep.." Peter says to the assistant.. "give him the dollar back.."

I was thinking along the lines that he was BETTING on grace miraculously saving him from.. whatever. Do you live that way? No, I know you don't.. neither do I.. sometimes.. I think "Grace" reserves the right to pull in the welcome mat..

When I took pfal.. I ignored my *real* elders admonition: never trust anyone over forty.. or was that thirty..

How DOES Tequila call? Maybe with a melodic voice..

or did you mean "as through a glass eye".. or did you mean..

that really isn't the problem here, is it? gawd.. I loved that music.. you have a gift friend. Just don't know what to call it..

the weirdest thing here.. by his name, and compared to that of a poster here, he ended up in da way.. HOWEVER.. there is no evidence that I can see that this character ever ingested anything hallucinogenic at Woodstock.. How much more do you want here??

sounds like my kind of church.. sacrament? I could agree with this.. "back in the day" I had a more visual experience with marijuana, than I ever had with lsd.. something grown from seeds that somebody smuggled out of Cambodia.. I think it was grown by one of my brother's friends, the one who's girlfriend (an fiancee) attempted to run over with his own fancy vehicle..

A dear friend asked me a similar question. What if you found that everything you believed was wrong.. well, the question was a little too late.. What these Morons can't figure out, is no matter how deceptive they are, they serve a purpose.. they provide a little bit of stability for some of us while we are struggling along the way.. capitalize on that.. use it for one's personal gain.. I'd be surprised even if you are assigned position of "toad" the next life..

I mean.. the more I consider this character, if he was "saved" and all.. I'm starting to get even less of an opinion regarding the value of redemption.. I think that's it. They have staked.. everything. Pretty heavy gamble if you ask me..

Da vicster's claim of eternal salvation and all. You know, incorruptible seed.. in his terms. going to heaven, and all hell can't stop one from going.. can't sin out the holy seed, etc. Saved, purely by grace. Works need not to apply (or interfere). What if he was just plain WRONG? I mean. This doctrine was promulgated by one who for lack of better words.. if it's all wrong, by the conduct of his life, he doesn't stand a snowball in hell's chance before St. Peter.. so we have an egotistical, self-serving, abrasive, alcoholic who drugged and raped women one one hand, and on his better days only seduced them.. along with the plagiarism, outright lying and fabrication, and PRETENDING to be a "man of gawd".. yep, he's "saved" by the wave of a magic wand. Hallelujah.. It was supposed to be a "research ministry". Just seems so many of the "results" weighed in on his favor..

I just wonder. If there is no hierarchy and such, how does he deal with individuals or groups differing in opinion from him? i.e.. the trinity, speaking in tongues, the state of the supposed dead, etc?

You only missed a few details here. "VP womanized, raped, drugged, stole, plagiarized, was an arrogant, abrasive self-serving raging alcoholic sob who pretended to be an apostle or prophet, and had delusions of Godhood. Therefore Christ isn't coming back." Is that what you are trying to say?

I wonder if un-mucking the vicster's pond was engineered to be a "likeable event" as well.. but anyway.. the Illusion of leadership seemed to exist on so many levels.. how many *leadership* blew the whistle on the sexcapades, rape, adultery.. unclean behavior and the like, before they HAD TO or were forced to? just seems to me, a leader's prime duty would be to protect those around him/her/it. maybe they had the illusion, that an ORGANIZATION held more importance than the people it encompassed..

I don't know about Judas. But he used Bullinger's material for about everything else.. 4 crucified, the day J.C. died, 3 days, 3 nights.. 2 entries, etc. etc. Why? I think mainly because he could regurgitate a Scholar's works, it gave him the APPEARANCE of a scholar. That's vicster's version of "research" I guess.. "our *research* is soooo exciting.." no. research is not. research is (or can be) BORING. It's supposed to be slow, meticulous, no jumping to conclusions or skipping steps.. Discovery, on the other hand can be rapid. like the vicster "discovering" the works of Bullinger, Kenyon, Lamsa, Leonard, Stiles, etc.. Discovery really does not necessarily require a lot of self-discipline..