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Poor ole Loy and his "friend" will not even make an ink stain in the encyclopedia. Nada- nothing, zilch. Only publicity he can get is from the occasional beating from lawyers. Must be bolstering to the ego to have a marmot beat you out in popularity.

Hey, the big holiday is coming.. just two days away. I find it hilarious that Punxatawney Phil has more publicity and a place in history than either of the two idiots we are talking about combined.

Interesting. Takes "really screwed up" to understand "screwed up". Sunesis.. wonder if "cold unfriendly and aloof" was him on a good day..

Now I was not in da corpse- but- you were "encouraged" to participate in the same foundational drivel, time and time again. I had over half of PFAL memorized. Probably still do- just haven't checked recently. Somehow, all of this doing and redoing the same dadburned thing was supposed to make you somehow more spiritual. Keep people busy and confused enough, and they won't hear God's voice even if He used a baseball bat to get through to them. Here we go again with the poor corpse folk- substitute more activity in the place of something really good or spiritual.

Makes me think, maybe there were no insiders. Follow all the training, jump through all the hoops and get rewarded with the 34th degree- nothing there. Same stupidity. Maybe you then know who's sleeping with who, but cripe- what a price to pay for something so obvious.

Heh heh heh. Exie, and you had BETTER follow your first thought.

Looks like a patent failure to me. Makes me ask the question, if da corpse is the greatest thing since Ivory soap, why did it not produce the desired result the first time around? More training, right. Just more training to help you ignore the little man behind the curtain.

This sounds all so familiar to me for some reason.

I see what you mean. Shave off the hair, add tights, and you have Loy in the flesh!

Cripe- if anybody around here is gonna go "easy" on them, it would be Mike. And they subject him to the same crap. "Yeah, we answered the phone once and exchanged pleasantries". Unbelievable. Apparently, after you once taste freedom- either by your choice, or if they put you out- you're "contaminated". Just don't want "your kind" around anymore. Don't need you is an understatement.

"Same" sure is right. At this point I could care less too. I did my part once, and asked for reason and common sense from one of the old leaders. The answer I got was I was nuts for not staying on Loy's bandwagon. Haven't heard from him since- still in, high position too- even after all the crap about Loy hit the fan. How does he live with himself? I care, but I'm done- no more effort with him. I pray for his wife though- she had a really good heart- it's gotta be tough. The sad part of it all is the response that this supposed "open" website got. The way I see it, some folk thought, "well, all our love and effort are finally going to pay off. Looks like they may really want to talk". Not in a million years. They've done it once again. Taken advantage of and ignored at least one more person's love and effort. Once again. Just another nail in their coffin, as far as I'm concerned. Disagree with him as much as you will, I don't think you could argue against the fact that Mike really loves them and holds hope, no matter how remote, of reconciliation. I think it's far past being just a sad, twisted little cult- it's just pure evil. The "mad dog" sign most of us put up around that organization needs to stay up- at least in my opinion. I really think that is the most "loving" thing to do.

Cowgirl.. that one looks like a lot of scenery I have seen in backwoods in West Virginia.

Interesting.. it is still "down". Including the chat room. It is under construction until "we find something better"? I wonder. What is "better"? Probably something with software that tracks people who visit greasespot and locks them out. Poor fellas, now if they want their chat room to run, they have to let all us "unclean beasts" in too. Maybe their "new and improved" chat room will require pre-registration with the site administrator, with approval of both your limb and region coordinator and the trunk office, or you just plain will not get in. Looking at the "nice pleasant exchange" that the guy had with Igotout, I wondered how long it would last. Typical Vey tactic. If you run across them (the "copouts") just try to act nice, and when they are not looking, run like hell. Forgive them? They won't LET you do it. Never. Sure, they will exchange a few pleasantries with you- "hows the kids, the wife, the job.." all while they hate you to the core- with a stupid smile on their face. Frigging Nazis. I would love to be proved wrong. If they love their kids and grandkids they would straighten out this mess, at least in my opinion. Not a very good "inheritance" to leave your kids.

Sooo, what is up with this go-back-for-more BS? Only reason I can think of, they would have NO willing candidates to step up to the plate otherwise. "well, we had to cancel the corspses this year" would probably not sit very well with the innies. Sounds like they are scouring the landscape to come up with ANYBODY that will do it. I suppose four or five "volunteers" for gunnison would be just about right. They could "volunteer" to take care of the place, and pay to do so besides. What a bargain! I bet there's nothing quite like having slaves who will pay you to do their work.

There were other witnesses to this-I don't think that they were very impressed..

Heh heh heh heh heh.. at least a cat will not try that, at least not that I've ever seen. One cat we had though, before she was "fixed"- I would walk in the room, say "mrower" and her rear end would elevate. Just a little "mrow" and it would twitch. A long loud "mrower" and it really stuck up in the air.. pretty disgusting..

Well Cowgirl, thanks for the reassurance. Forgive me, I'm just a little grumpy. As I grow older I find that I am developing an allergy to cold weather!

Hey, Cowgirl, you may be right about all this after all. Temps got up to about 20F here today! No sign of grounhogs here though, at least yet.

If you think your efforts are worthwhile, by all means I wouldn't discouraging you from doing what's right. It's just my opinion.. but here you have "Starvin Marvin" down to about 50 pounds laying in the middle of the road. But he's not starving. According to him, he's having the party of a lifetime. He has abundance galore! And anybody who is "somebody" needs to be just like him. And today, he decides that he is going to have a new and improved method of starvation for all of the followers. He resists any offer for a decent meal because you are the scum of the earth (supposedly). You feel sorry for him, but what can you do? I think this is comparable to one of the parables, but instead, the guy that got caught up among the robbers beat the hell out the poor Samaritan that attempted to help him. The ones I really have some compassion for are the ones that are on the ride, having no choice- the kids. And this guy will bite your leg off if you get near da kids. Maybe he won't bite your leg off today, just make sure you can't post anything on the website for his "kids". I really do not think that they want, or even think that they need help. You talked about the twelve step program. I do not entirely remember it, but I think number one says you have to admit that you have a problem. Not one of the other steps will do any good until you do the first. Some poor souls never make it past step one. I imagine it is heart-rending for the families to watch a loved one go to the grave, but it does happen. And you can keep forgiving and justifying abusive or self abusive behavior until it has its final toll on an individual. I am not God- it simply is not in my power to keep poor Marv alive. The choice really is his. That is what I meant saying that if there was not real change there, the only rebuilding they are gonna see is after a bulldozer goes over the place. No change, its inevitable, in my opinion.

Interesting. I think it's kinda nice to have something that is "unexplainable". What were they? I do not know. Would like to though..

I feel more sorry for the kids than for them. The kids are along for the ride with the idiots. Don't have a choice in the matter. Someday, they may find out. You're stuck to your kids like they are stuck to you. You're gonna have some real "splainen" to do. Could always just take the low road, and mark and avoid. Others have.

But back to the subject.. I just checked again. The message board is STILL under construction. My opinion, they don't want "your kind" around. They are scared absoulutely dangLESS that you might be able to have any kind of exchange with their kids. Kinda like, "now kids, someday they will tell you that daddy did some horrible things. Do not believe them".

Cats can be pretty tough if they don't get what they want. It's their house, you know..

Kind of like trying to forgive Hitler. "But he was a nice guy, even kissed babies once". Ptooie.

Just another thought. What makes you think they WANT your forgiveness? That is the LAST thing in the world that they think they need. You are a copout, a stain in their otherwise "perfect" existence. Forgive them? They could care less. Trying to forgive that bunch of idiots is like trying to force feed a starving bastard who thinks he does not need food.