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I dunno.. around here we tried to help each other. The last corpses that were assigned here when I was involved DEMANDED special treatment. And they were not very willing to help anybody here beyond from giving reproof and criticism.

Fellas, what in the world is keeping you in that hell hole? You probably thought: "well, things have to get better when Loy is gone". And you got Rosie. You may now be thinking: "well, the next pres just HAS to be better than Rosie". I wouldn't count on it. So you're part of the "inner circle", hold the keys and secrets of da kingdom.. look how far that got Mrs. Wierwille. And hundreds of your fellow inductees. Gone in the middle of the night, no support, no friends. No home. No money, no possibility of retirement. Not to mention no possibility of real freedom. No real freedom to live and enjoy life. If I was in your shoes, I'd run from there like there's no tomorrow. "Second rate security guard at a world class cult" will not be a very impressive qualification for your next job interview. But there's still time- go learn a trade- maybe go back to school somewhere. Make a REAL difference in somebody elses life. But if you just choose to sit in your second-class comforts, you've deserve what's coming to you.

Hope, that says a lot. Even I was not in my right mind, for a while. The "da verd says.. owe no man ANYTHING, end of story" actually did make sense- for a while. They sure had a problem with the next half of the verse. "Why don't they read the next verse?" comes to mind..

Wowser. Like they were really "qualified". About as qualified to define what is really adultery. "We'll research it and get back to you".

Uncle H., it probably wasn't too far of a drive, heh heh.

Funny.. I did not hear that song sung anywhere, for the last couple years I was in TWI.

Yep.. really dumb. And the dumbness is not going away. I think they huffed a few too many paint fumes..

Heh heh. I think you're right.. it was one of the times I think I really "had it".. this was among one of the few times that I look back and say it was "da good ole days". heh heh..

I think God gave me the strength of Samson that day, heh heh..

He was dancing around screaming.. they thought he was out of his mind..

Heh heh.. actually, yes. It was funny- the coordinator, his wife and the rest of the group never saw or figured out what happened.

Yep. I read it.. unbelievable, almost. You kinda have to read in between the lines of wayspeak though. What he really seems to be saying is that they understand, that if people really figure out what's going on, there is nothing they can do to stop them from leaving. Sure, they "explain" decisions. They have to. Why did they kick rev so and so out in a moments notice? "Well, he was unfaithful- besides, he was not nice". Explanations, yes. Adequate? Not very likely.

I remember my then wife a few years ago.. one guy at twig trying that. I knew I would not get away with belting the guy in the mouth. When he was trying to hit the target, I pinched his rear end with the strength of a vise.. the guy was dancing around.. "hey, what's wrong with you?" Funny- didn't try it again..

"That da dumb ministry be not blamed".. more like "gotta save the organization, and at all costs". Lie, cheat, steal, anything goes.

Best to be wary.. ha. Seems to me that the folks I knew that left had left under mysterious circumstances. Little or not explanation given other than "they proved themselves unfaithful" or other such nonsense. No rebuttal allowed. No real questions put forward. "How in God's name is confronting a friggin adulterer being unfaithful or could be considered sin?" No wonder to me why they hide the sin anymore. Had I known the half of it, I would have left YEARS before I did.

Interesting.. and Hopeful, those who referred to him as "Jesus" were carefully watched. Sick organization. After a couple of meetings, say "Jesus" and you're really out of place. Not a Christian organization is an understatement.

"And Mr. Hammeroni when I said you would receive it well, that was what I meant. You seem workable when mentally provoked" Yassem House, I obeys ya, heh heh. Actually, I think the ordinary person trys to assess what kind of effect that his/her comments or actions have on others. Most people really care. I think TWI took advantage of this. Do not perform stupid unreasonable requests, or for that matter, you did not even have to know about some arcane protocol you apparently ignored. Your nose was rubbed in the fact that you were so unthoughtful, so uncaring. Don't you know how you "hurt" the poor mog by not sending a letter of appreciation, not doing this, not doing that.. and I ate some of that kind of crap. And don't dare disagree with them on a doctrinal level, for any reason. I don't see that kind of "reproof" here. Even when it comes to blows at times (I usually jump behind the bar and wait for the cops to clear it up) it seems people really care. Those in da ministry do not have this amount of freedom. The WayGB may get their chuckles, but what do they have to chuckle about? They have little freedom there. No freedom to disagree. No freedom to stick up for themselves. No freedom to BE themselves. They WILL carry out the mandates of their masters, right or wrong.

Nope. Has a brother though.

How about this guy? I think he was in N.C., last I knew. Knew him from WVA.

Back at der vey, I am suprized they did not sport leather..

As McCartney was coming on, I was thinking.. another old guy. At least this old guy can still really ROCK.

Seth, don't think you can get one. Apparently, "those" kind of stores that sell the blow up type got some kind of injuction against the cloners. It will be tied up in litigation many, many moons before it is resolved.

"We KNOW you're hiding something. It will go bettter for you if you come clean. Now, what is this business about seven dependants? Why can't they work?"

I really hope they don't pick up the idea.. they'd be tax collectors from hell.. audit? all they need would be genuine spiritual suspicion..

I wasn't corpse, but- funniest thing I heard about was about the LEAD experience. Somehow, Mrs. Wierwille caught wind that the poor corpses couldn't freshen themselves at the camp. She got some young whipper snapper by the ear, and lo and behold, the ban against bathing was mysteriously lifted. I hope this was not just another Vey urban legend..