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Shortly followed up with "disobedience is sin".

"We should want to obey our wonderful MOG"

Mass marketing the miraculous.. now there's an original idea.. ha. They have LOTS of competition, and most of the competition has more experience and resources. So, if you want to succeed in this cult business, what do you do? Label all other sellers of the miraculous as possessed, mislead and worse. Scream about those who do not believe you, beating your breast while spewing curses. Reminds me of a National Geographic program I saw once. Two witchdoctors trying to outdo each other- the poor village people had to somehow be convinced that their resident witchdoctor had more power than the other. From what I remember, the thing that was most convincing was how much bile they could spit..

Dunno.. seems to me that the corpse program was highly over-rated. Don't get me wrong.. I know a lot of you guys got some good out of it. But I think you had a lot going for yourselves to begin with. And not everyone was in it for the power and glory. Just makes me wonder, what in the world was the old Vicster thinking?? Take an otherwise untalented, mediocre jock and with "the magic of believing, and proper conditioning" turn him into the MOG for our day and time- the "ultimate believer". Honestly, he couldn't really be the best "available" for the job. I guess ole vic did get a guy that could run the place- into the ground. Poor Bally's- I guess you just can't make a silk CEO out of a sow's ear.. ole vic proved that can't be done.

Heh heh.. could have a 400 pound muscle-bound fella named "Bubba" confront him about messing with his wife..

Tights for all followers would be mandatory, not only during fitness sessions, but at all hours of the day and night. As a present to the corporation for their sagish wisdom of appointing him, the pres would produce and star in a new production, "You too can have fitness by dancing with devils in the light of a full moon. Tights not optional". Titled in smaller print, "Mogginhood, men in tight (tight) tights".

With a flood of tears, he could announce that it was "revealed" to him that the word of fitness has really gone over the world, and that he was chosen to escort the "faithful" into the land of PREVAILING fitness. As they merrily jogged across the "bridge" to ambiguous fitness, along with certain financial ruin, those dedicated followers would confront the unfit world about the error of their un-fittish ways with da logic of fitness. "Give me fitness, or give me death" would be their cry, and "pass da koolaid".

Another thread got me thinking about this.. at least on one occasion (that I personally heard) Loy intimated how he was really wasting his talent, that he could EASILY run a fortune 500 company the way it really needed to be run. The attitude was that such a company would be nuts not to jump at the chance to have him aboard as CEO. Somehow, Bally's is missing "the opportunity of a lifetime". How can they leave such talent in the lurch, being just a mere employee? With Loy at the helm, he could "lead" the company into a financial condition unparalleled since the first century. So why haven't they adopted his "reforms"? 1. Fire all of the supposed "experts" in business and physical training. They could save a bundle and replace them with "specially trained" high school and middle school grads. Save loads of money on education. 2. All customers who left Bally's of their own accord and otherwise would immediately be given the status of "mark and avoid". Anybody who talked to them, or anybody else who left for different health fitness options would be guaranteed to become "a greasespot by midnight". 3. All memberships would be immediately revoked. There are only three "members" in the organization to speak of. 4. All employees would undergo emergency financial cutbacks. They must sell their houses, live in cardboard boxes, or four and more could live in frugal, dormroom type settings. These "benefits" would be proudly listed by the management to indicate how "generous" they are. 5. Any methods of training from outsiders would be held up to extreme scrutiny, and public contempt. We have all da answers you know. 6. Trainees (no longer club members) would be required to "donate" at the minimum, fifteen percent of their incomes, before taxes. 7. Da club is not to be blamed. Not getting results? Maybe you are not giving enough. Our training methods are above reproach. 8. There will be no "new research". The club will rely solely on seventy-five year old army surplus fitness manuals. 9. Employees will be watched even closer than trainees. They will mysteriously dissapear in the night before they even have a chance to complain. The next day, they will be publically ridiculed as possessed, unfaithful to company policy, and generally, not nice. Yep.. Bally's doesn't have a clue of what they are missing out on.

No offense to Zshot, but I hope the women are happily married. Heck, he couldn't have married BOTH of them, anyway! George Well.. in most states, anyway.

Not to side track things too much but.. wonder why ole Loy did no go back in "training"? Maybe he knew what kind of treatment he had coming. Probably well remembered what he did to the other poor victims.

Wouldn't suprise me very much. I have seen what "they" are capable of doing to a guy that just HAD to get up during a teaching. Unbelievable. It would really suprise me if he was indeed still the site administrator there. Now here's a valid argument that indeed the ministry is running that website, even if they claim otherwise- you HAVE to go through your Limb AND Region coordinator to get in. I wonder what they have to say about that?

I know leaving that place for many is not an easy thing to do. For a lot of folks, it's almost like dealing with death or divorce. What are they gonna do when they leave? Where are they going to go? Who can they trust? It's been drummed in them from day one that you can't trust anybody outside of "da household". They have you on a leash, and a very short one at that. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment. You could have more of an abundant life living in a cardboard box, in my opinion. Sure, it may hurt, but you WILL get over it- you may find that life out here is a lot better than you think. I took up Loy's challenge that there's nothing good out here. I went out to look. In a short amount of time, I found more care and concern in a small "ungodly" civic organization than I saw YEARS of involvement with the ministry.

Interesting.. some people did write some songs though. Don't know how "good" I would call them, but they did end up in the song book. And da vey did copyright them. I think those were about the only songs in the book that showed anykind of copyright notice or permission to publish.

Cripe, even anybody in a quarter of a right mind should be able to figure out that she is not God. But do they have the freedom to express even this opinion? You'd be outa that place faster than the door could slam behind you. Do they really think she has some kind of power to be able to "conjure" up disaster for anyone who does not properly please her in all things? Get out the voodoo doll and stick pins in it? I guess I'd be afraid if I believed in that kind of thing. The only power she has if you are in her employ, and even then what can she do? "I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but you cannot be my slave anymore." Look what they've done to staffers that are advancing in years. They have put them out to figure out their own retirement and health package. I'd plan a way out of that place if I was them. Only a matter of time, and they'll be gone anyway.

But what do they have to be afraid of? Reminds me of the record of Paul in Athens. He DIALOGUED with the people. Didn't dodge the hard questions, and try to funnel them to where they won't see the light of day. I think they are actually AFRAID that what they believe and teach will actually not stand up to any kind of scrutiny. They'd rather be ignorant. To me that's the only thing that makes sense in all of this. They just don't want to know.

I would not have wanted to be in the little "meeting" the administrator must've been in.. almost feel sorry for him. Probably accused of everything from slothful to downright devilish allowing "the riff-raff" to be able to post there. Now it looks more Way-ish- have to get past your limb and region coordinator to even register. And I bet they have to run it by "Rozilla". And not a place for "debates"- I translate that as "serious questions". "Whadya mean Eve was a lesbian? Can you offer me more than "you'll just have to take it by faith, bro"?" Any chance of real dialogue seems to have been very shortly lived.

Well.. I guess that makes sense. If no one is willing to give you an award for something, go and buy one.

I dunno about the "Rozilla" thing. I bet that even the WayGB and staff have a few names for her when she is not listening..

That could be a scary thought.. who is left? Those who would "willingly execute you"? Martinpuke admitted that they such kind of folks around. Still, you'd think that life would not be very pleasant on the end of Rozilla's leash. They'd be better off going to the slammer somewhere.

You have NO IDEA what you missed out on. Almost "anything" went, unless a guy with a pair of vice grips snuck up behind you, heh heh.

Just when you thought it was safe to go back to "twig".. oh well. Hockeynutt, I think a lot of that nonsense was easier to throw than to admit what they taught really did not work. A lot of "twig" behavior really turned out to be acting to be what one was not, nor could ever be. Somehow, we were supposed to be some kind of Super Mario, constantly jumping around doing "all nine all the time". Somehow, life just does not work that way. Not living up to their expectations was a prime reason for lots of folks to get thrown out.

But I am not writing out of spite or bitterness, meanness, or other kind of nonsense. Just as a human being, you deserve better than that. As a brother in Christ, I implore you. Leave the degredation, and do something useful with your life. You only have one.

Just in case anybody gets me wrong, let me state that I have the highest respect for people like P*** A**** and others that confronted those bastards.

And, you really do live on needs basis. As long as they "need" you, you can "live" there. I once thought that it was the greatest thing for a person to work on staff there, so close to "da word". Face it- the word has not lived there, for a very very long time. I thank God I never got the "priviledge" to work there full time. And some of you guys have had the "priviledge" of allowing your wives to "service" the needs of the MOG. I don't see how you can live with yourselves. But thankfully, I'm not you. If I was you, I would get mad. Then get out.

What if the next pres will be Donna? Or how about good ole Harve? He may have been a nice guy once.. I'd rather have William Jefferson Clinton in that office, or even Hillary.