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Jenny Scheitz. Hope I got the last name spelled right.. Anybody know of her, hear from her? Knew her in Morgantown WV one year- wonder how she made out. Anybody know? I think she was in Indiana for a while..

True, true- but why don't they read the first half of that verse? "The rich ruleth over the poor". Every bit as valid as the second half. My current financial condition would almost fit the right criteria for vey "membership"- but I'm friggin POOR. Could not afford cost of rent for a whole house- and pay for school, transportation to work and school, etc. Could not afford even a reasonable payment to the bank. A year or so, and things will be different. I am in servitude to a friggin landlord. Thankfully, he's a nice guy. Cheap place. Can't do what I want though- no pets, no this, no that. Can't have my own furniture, no more holes in the wall.. I'm not complaining about it- but why can't they see it? The landlord "rules" over me. There is nothing I really have to say about it. The verse itself does not condemn debt- "The borrower is servant to the lender, and this is an unruly evil". Nope.. just a statement of PRINCIPLE. Don't have a boatload of money? You just may have to follow somebody elses rules. Either way you go- poor, or in debt. It just makes me wonder who these supposed "experts" that ole Rosie and gang unleashed upon the scriptures. No names- wonder why. No accountability, I guess. "We have our people working on, even as we speak"- ha. Maybe some nineteen year old corpse "grad" that just can't figure out what a concordance is- that by some freak of nature, he does not have any recognizable "debt". More likely to be a big rubber stamp with some guys face painted on it.

What I find interesting- how easy it is for some to label somebody asking for verification of the claims as unspiritual, ignorant, or at worst possessed. Maybe "just not walking"- not "mature". I'd like to see that tried on a bank examiner. Or an IRS agent during an audit. Call him whatever you want- but if you claimed nineteen dependents and you only have one, you're STILL in a heap of trouble. Throw all the mud you want- scream, shout- try to "give that possessed IRS guy over to da adversary". Sorry, results not guaranteed. I don't really like to see people squirm- I've done it a lot myself- I know what its like- I know how it feels. But really- if you can't figure out the PFAL thing after forty five to sixty some viewings of it, somethings gotta be wrong.

This nonsense reminds me of what's going on in the PFAL thread.. all the claims- all the promises. People HAVE asked. How do we do it? What a friggin lame answer- "well, somebody in Timbuctu managed to pay cash for a house a couple years ago.." No results- then or now. Maybe they just have to increase the proportion- give say, THIRTY percent- Yep. That oughta do it.

Morse code key. People kept saying my old avatar looked like a girl, heh heh.

Please don't take the Amway thing wrong. I knew lots of nice folks that sold Amway products.

I've been on this track for some time. I know its hard to read intent behind something typed up on a keyboard. I managed to alienate Galen and a couple of other folks- who are doing the right thing- or the best they know to do. Never was my intention. What I object to is turning Christianity and the Word into a version of a high pressure, positively motivated, promise you the moon and world besides if you master it right, infomercial. "Do it the way WE tell you and you can even jump over the moon".. just like to see them try it first. They make the claim, don't get mad at me if you can't do it. And I STILL demand it- they said it, don't tell me I have to do it- let's see YOU do it. Easy to tell somebody else to do it. Reminds me of Amway/Shaklee/etc. Maybe some people make out OK, but.. the real secret to "success" is to find SOMEBODY ELSE to "sell"- somebody else to do the work. If someone's spirituality depends on my compliance with their criteria, well.. I feel sorry for them. They'll never see it. I'll dissappoint you fifty times before breakfast. That's what I came OUT of. Not gonna go back in- for anybody. Honestly, my first reaction to some over-rated claims is to laugh my rear end off. Maybe its a defense mechanism or something- dunno. Ludicrous claims. Sorry, that's just me, right or wrong. I'm not perfect anyway. I often found myself doing it the way "they" told me to do it, and it just plain did not work. "Well, you must not be REALLY committed, maybe not enough study, not enough of this, enough of that" Just work it a dozen more times- yecch. Makes more sense to go to the corner bar. Pretty unrealistic. Even Paul did not have the guarantee that people would not beat the crap out of him- except maybe once that I can think of. No promise that if he'd believe right, that everything would be nice and rosie. I would not blame these "failures" on the man. I don't blame God either. Interesting though.. after Paul and Silas got "the beating of their lives" they weren't sitting around trying to figure out what principle they missed, which principle of believing they must have forgotten, where they broke "fellowship".. which disciple in "the camp" must have been evil- they were singing- even when it still must have hurt. All the "mastering" of PFAL in the world would not have stopped it. All the retemories.. Sometimes, rotten stuff just plain happens. Believing, or not. "All receiving is believing"- hogwash- and this WAS stated. Kind of interesting that the Lord would tell him that this was going to be part of the course. Still didn't stop it from happening- but he knew what he was going to be going up against.

OK- Joe Walsh, apparently I am not, heh heh.. If you look at the new avatar with a magnifying glass- its a Morse code key. Little more "hammish".

Actually, if I find out that I'm a blathering idiot- that's OK too- just working in the wrong profession. Some blathering idiots take advantage of it and make a fortune..

Heh heh.. I actually thought the avatar looked kind of like Joe Walsh in his younger days. I tried painting a mustache and beard on it and updating, but that got its own set of complaints. Seems the ladies like a clean shaven man.. That's OK- but I'm not about to shave my legs and other unmentionable parts.

Funny, he does not name them. Who are they? My guess, probably not worth naming- stinkers a quarter the age of ole Bobbers himself.

Would the properly qualified person please put this in "just plain silly" I know its hard to assess what somebody is like from the nature of their comments and posts at times, but- I am relatively new here, compared to most. What does the "audience" think? Mr. H / Mr H's posts is/are: Have at it, after all, I asked for it!

Oh yes.. I forgot. This was one of the rabbits pulled out of the hat when results were questioned, or questionable. "Well, we don't see results here because THE PEOPLE are not spiritual enough- they're just too darn materialistic in the good ole USA". "Results not guaranteed". I bought that too, at one time. More dodging- like Saul, "its THE PEOPLE'S fault". Couldn't be him.. I have encountered all types in our country- those who believe, those who do not, and those who mock. Same in ANY culture. Somehow, all the mocking in the first century did not stop Peter or the others. Just the shadow of Peter hit you.. wowser. And he did not take twenty five years to figure it out. Those in that precious "biblical" culture faced as much unbelief, hatred, primitivism, you name what else- as almost any other "ungodly" culture has since. The Romans were such "nice" guys you know. Idolaters. Had a god for everything under the sun. Stick you if you looked at them wrong. Not to mention the failures of the Jewish religion of the time. They did not HAVE a PFAL class. They did not have the luxury to work it over sixty times before figuring out how it worked. Somehow, God still managed to pull it off. Quite a few of them could not even read. Sure, they had epistles- but I bet not one in a thousand had their personal copy to "master". How hard does it have to be?

I don't exactly agree. Other than some of the governmental issues, by and large, folks in the U.S. do not reject God Almighty or his Son Jesus Christ. There are always exceptions- in any culture. By and large, people are SPIRITUALLY minded. That's just the way God made us. God made the universe in such a manner that we can seek Him- through his word, but also the creation itself testifies of His power and works. Sure- you'll find "twisted" people in every culture- but to say the U.S. has cornered the market of them is just going a bit too far- at least in my opinion.

Just another little thought.. how much "revelation" do you think you really NEED? Even as a Pastor- sure you may need it- but holy cow- unless when God was passing out the brains, as my dad once said "you were standing behind the door"- you don't NEED it. Not like you think. Seriously.. God Almighty gave us a few natural senses for a reason. And a brain. Somehow, at times, this manages to be enough in life. Most of the times in life, I DON'T KNOW what's gonna happen next. I don't know what's in the next person's mind- even from what they say. I just plain don't know- couldn't know by my five natural senses- and that is OK. Maybe God doesn't want me to know. Good enough for me- just don't know. I finally got honest enough to admit it, and quit friggin pretending that I knew everything. This morning, I got NOTHING. Nada. Zip. Zilch- "call it what you will".. same as most other mornings.. so what? Well, maybe if I just worked da class a little harder- surely would have "gotten it", something wrong with me, "missed it" somewhere.. Don't think so. The FEW times- at least what I can remember, that I got anything from the Lord about other people, I didn't have to work over all these keys to figure out if it was Him or not. And it proved to be correct. But one instance, I ignored it because I thought it was just not being "meek"- thought it was just thinking evil, so subjective. Should have screamed as loud as I could- from what I have read here about the situation, it would have been the right thing to do. instead, I did the PFAL thing- just analyze it to death trying to figure out if it was really the real deal- trying to weigh out if such action was appropriate or even "profitable"- after all, that's supposed to be the big thing separating the genuine and the counterfiet. Add to this- it "appeared" to go at cross purposes with the written word. Yep- at least as I knew it at the time. So I just kept playing the same old track over and over in my mind.. and it sure did not look like it would be profitable, but disasterous. I really thought that "the big wigs" that "mastered" everything would have gotten it before me. Cost me something. There are some more "results" for you. If somebody asked me what PFAL did for me- I'd be honest. Sure, some of it was terrific. Some of it was horrid. Some of it produced- no results.

Well... Samuel was STILL a young lad. Who taught him? Eli? Eli was "copped out".. how about his sons? Hophni? Phinehas? They were too busy doing the mogly "thing"- imagine they thought God didn't care- like a pair of other mog-types I know of.. Samuel sure did not learn by example either. Would have ended up like the rest of those jokers. I don't know how much experience you have had with youngsters- even in any culture- can't even "beat" this kind of mastery and discipline into them. If you try, you will pay.. one way or another. Samuel was a youngster. Young man. Is the word of the Almighty so ineffective, so hard to understand, that you have to break it up the supposed basics into about thirty six hours of detailed instruction, and that's not a bad thing in itself- but to have to work it over again, and again, and again- sure, you learn by repetition- but honestly, enough is enough. How many times do you have to read the book to figure out to read the word of God and let it interpret itself in the context, the context God set it in? Cripe- I remembered that one the first time I was exposed to it. Sure it is useful- but what are you gonna do? Give this little key a place on the mantle and worship the dadburn thing? Where is your mind? Honestly- six times through the class, and I got about all that there was that I was gonna get - anything that was good, anyway. No startling "revelations", no "suprises" the forty -fifth, or even the sixtieth time through. Nothing "new". Forever learning, and not able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Forever working it over, again, and again, and again. Like an old fashioned record, stuck in one groove. People like Galen and others here were able to glean some good stuff at it- me too. But honestly, PFAL is not God. Never was, never will be. The delusional claims otherwise by a known abuser and idolater need not apply. A claim of infallibility really falls on deaf ears- practically anyway. Heard that too many times, never ends up being able to live up to all the claims. Claims don't sell the product- RESULTS do. So.. once again, "where are the results" of all this "mastery"? I showed you mine, show me yours. What is it doing? That's even the "test" ole Doc suggested putting to the ministers, bishops and deacons in the churches- "sure you can talk, but what can you PRODUCE?" Good grief. You may think I'm just mad. Just ornery- not really- as a brother in the Lord, I am concerned. If after all this time, you still have to wash yourself in sand, run the gauntlet.. somethings gotta be wrong.

Still no results.. no (or few) results when we had 30,000 some committed to the core PFAL grads. No results? Maybe you need more training. More work. More retemorizing. More study. More obedience. Giving more money, time, effort and life. More more more. And you have to be "cheerful" about it.. blecch. If you can't figure it out in twenty five years, something has got to be wrong with it. I'm not just talking about people just missing it, or being human.. we all make mistakes. But really- consistently- failure upon failure- something's rotten in Way-Mart- and its not me. I checked- I took a shower this morning. The ego of man.. oh well. Still think you've got the Lord wrapped around your little finger.. Some kind of "mastering" and you'll have heaven on earth again.. Sad. Samuel's "advanced class" lasted half a verse- twenty one WORDS- in the King James Version, anyway. But no, he must have worked so hard, retemorized soooo much scripture, memorized his PFAL book. Interesting, when Samuel said something, it happened. "Master" revelation- ha. Either you've got it or you don't.

It's funny- I picked up just about where I left off- but with a little more rationality. Before TWI, I wanted to do chemistry- so I returned to school. Local community college- about 75 percent towards an associate degree in chemistry. If possible, I plan on continuing towards a bachelors and masters. Maybe further- don't know yet. I bought all those old wineskin albums that I unceremoniously "dumped" in the good old days- of course now they are CD's. I found I can listen to Led Zepplin and enjoy it without feeling afraid of getting "possessed" or worse. Even newer music is OK, but not rap. Some call it an art form, I just could never see it.. Even Jazz, or country-western sounds OK- blues, almost anything. For the past several years, I have refused to open a PFAL book, blue book, green book, orange book, etc., but I still open my bible. I don't take a whole lot at face value. Somebody claims they can jump over the moon, I expect to see THEM do it first- even if it "hurts their feelings". They made the claim, not me. But I'm usually nice- don't try to goad them or anything.. some cases, it may have to come to that though. I think I found out that the world was still, actually THERE- didn't go anywhere.

"Cheetos. Six pack of Jolt. And Pineapple-free pizza." Finding that caffeine has a little more "punch" without the calming effects of nicotine, are we? Heh heh.

Just found this- interesting how * got a whopping forty percent of the vote. I guess all the other *"s will have to retreat back into their little holes, realizing that somehow, they failed miserably in this popularity poll. Poor things.. I guess they'll have to try harder next time.

"How could it be the leader was SO GREAT A BELIEVER STANDING IN THE GAP and being attacked for it while it was us who failed to not be strong enough not to be attacked? Geez!" Just mark up another on to "da accuracy" of PFAL- or whatever "the present truth" happens to be now. I guess they've gotta live with themselves somehow- funny how things look when its THEIR life. Funny how leadership refused to place the blame for non-performing doctrine at their own doorstep- but if you dared to have a failure, woe unto you. These jokers saw and had failure upon failure- and still refuse to see the light- despite lack of results- and despite HORRIBLE results- year after year. They've bought into it- but you'd think after hitting your head on the wall enough times, you'd learn a lesson. No wonder they turned so friggin mean. No wonder I was so mean at times. Its more frustrating than it looks- trying to figure everything out, trying to figure out where to place the blame. Some of us wake up, I guess some of us don't..

Well, I know where he is NOT- not at the grocery store, picking up pineapple for Raf's pizza.

Like the cops have a guy pulled over for speeding. "Let's see your license". "How dare you ask for my credentials! If you persist, you will go to hell". "Maybe so, but if I don't see your licence, you will go to jail".

Really- if its "The Word as it has not been known since the first century" it should get the same results as the word known IN the first century. Asking for verification of claims is neither vulgar, or rude. Reminds me of the "good old days" before the American Medical Association set up shop. Anybody who WANTED to would simply hang out on a shingle, "Doctors Office". Forget that they had not even SEEN a neked body, no less knew what was inside of it. Forget the fact that at best, their experience consisted of working on a couple horses and a mule. And they would argue vehemently against those who questioned their "qualifications". Nay-sayers were labeled "troublemakers" and worse. Wouldn't work today. People learned a few things. Results, results.. maybe I'm just harping too much.. maybe not. Maybe a couple of ole Doc's herbal remedies may help my cold, but don't get near me with the bone saw- I just may be having a bad day- I don't need my leg cut off. Uncomfortable as it may be, credentials were made to be questioned- or verified. Go in any prominent Doctors office- look on the wall. Anybody with a degree from a diploma mill does not stay open for long, if he opens at all. One of my all time favorite movies- "The Inlaws"- not the new one- the one filmed in the eighties- Peter Falk asking the dentist after looking at all the paper hanging on the wall- "so, do you know what all this really means?" "Well, yes- it means that I am not going to go to jail for practicing medicine without a license"- heh heh. Anymore- anybody hanging out a shingle- "I've got all the answers" or some such nonsense, gives me the "willies". Some of them threaten to send people to hell when they ask for qualifications. Others, simply call you dense or unloving. Shame on you, bad, bad person. You're just like Thomas. How unloving. Jesus was the "real thing"- whether Thomas was wrong or not, he ACCOMMODATED him. "Go ahead. take a look. Stuff your fingers through my hand. My side. See for yourself". But "Well, after the resurrection, I am just so peaceful now, and can "renew" my mind" would not have gone very far. I guess I'm just a bad, bad person. So I re-issue my inquiry- where are the results? What has it done for you? Others have answered- and I would not call them counterfiet, or stupid, for that matter. What's the big deal?

Still.. I bet prison life is not all it is cracked up to be. The "general population" likely will have some "fun" with him. The isolation he would need would be for most part unbearable. Might be worse than death, who knows..