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But another thing.. I can't ignore all the good stuff either. It may be subjective- but I do have peace. Peace with God. I did learn that one in PFAL. "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God..." I never read that verse before the class. Peace no matter what happens in life. Even in the absolute worse circumstances, the peace was still there. But I don't have to work this one over a few more hundred times to "get it". Not really even one more time. I did not end up burning very many cakes with that part of the recipe..

Makes sense. Got me thinking about the different quotations in the Bible- no time to look up the details at the moment, but more often than not, when God "quotes himself" the new context practically in no way resembles the old context the words used were set in. That always kind of bothered me- since I thought everything was so black and white- that there was only one logical interpretation possible. Apparently not..

Thanks.. I knew Exie was extra-special and everything..

Compared to some of this TWI math, 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 makes more sense..

Just want to know: what is the deal with the "global user" thing? Seems some folks here have some control of the area that shows your present karma. Is it something only available to G.S. "elite", or what? If not, how do I access it? Just wondering...

Seems cold turkey is about the best way, if you can do it. I think the hard part for me was having to deal with other folks smoke. Sometimes ex-smokers can be more nasty about it than folks who never smoked to begin with.

Yep. You can argue from a doctrinal point of view all the live long day apparently.. to no avail. Kind of funny- I thought I would never turn into one of the "characters" in a thread like this. Guess the stuff hit a little too close to home for me this time. But really- the promise in PFAL that the principles were like adding two parts of hydrogen and one part oxygen- "don't care if you pray, or if you don't pray- Christian/ non-Christian" that you WILL get the results- does not size up with the word in general, or even with life. Some things may work like this, but not the vast majority. Pray, believe, do all the stuff right- and a lot of times you STILL don't get what you want. I think the claims are unreasonable- or taken to unreasonable extremes. Somehow chanting the magic words, "rub a dub dub, three spurts in a tub" and somehow holding a "positive" mind picture will not make problems go away. Maybe life is not as simple as some would have us believe. If anybody has a "miracle method" to all this, I insist on seeing some documentation. Mike, I'm still waiting.

Makes sense.. But add to this the insistent adherence to the "written" materials- that does not make sense. Example: RHST. How many editions were there? Last I counted there were about seven. There are DRASTIC differences between late and original editions. Even called the "manifestations" "gifts". "Gifts of the spirit" course. Somehow I thought that "revelation" did not work quite like that. He surely would have gotten it right the first time- like Paul, John, Mark, etc. What they spoke and had written stand the test of time. I haven't seen seven revisions of Ephesians in the old manuscripts recently. I imagine somebody somewhere brought even this little point up more than once here.

Interesting.. some religions won't let you dance. Others won't let you drink. Others- can't work on Saturday. Good grief- they are pikers, compared to this "no debt" thing.

Or "Twig Coordinators" meetings.. A lot of times half of it was trying to figure out who could drudge up new folks for "da class". Glad I was never in one of those meetings trying to figure out why we couldn't get anybody in WAP. That must be VERY uncomfortable.

The decoder ring analogy may fit pretty well, but I kind of think of PFAL more as a recipe book. Some of ole Doc's recipes worked out OK- other ones got you burned rock hard cakes no matter how closely you followed the instructions. An honest discussion of PFAL does not really bother me at all. Just the "you too, can jump the moon" claims are not that honest, at least in my opinion. Still waiting.. don't wait until I fall asleep from boredom.

Yep.. I agree. Now if only I could say that as concisely, heh heh.

Steve! I was going to say "kibbles and bits" but that's probably too kind.

"you mock God with decoder ring references" More like he was mocking PEOPLE. People who think they are God. People who THINK they are the Almighty. Mocking is a good, "biblical" principle. Don't knock it too much.

Don't speak for all of us, heh heh.

Galen, hope I didn't pi** you off too much.. just some folk turning it into PFAL is God is a little too much- had to say something.

Very interesting.. short leash. How about just being a PFAL grad? Some here would stick you on a VERY short leash if was possible. The eternal working, reworking, etc, etc. Feels good not to be wearing that sucker anymore.

Heh heh.. One thing to consider.. When I quit, I did not change eating or exercise habits. The body seemed to process food MUCH more efficiently.. some areas seemed to grow at an exponential rate. Don't know your health or exercise habits but.. exercise may help matters. I hope this does not put me on the "hit" list, heh heh.

75?% Dixie.. can't see how.. spent the majority of my life north of the Mason-Dixon line.

"Actually, I think both aspects of VP's definitions of allos and heteros are used in PFAL." I thought that was another "definition" that he lifted from Bullingers "How to Enjoy the Bible".

I wonder if anybody else can hear screaming all the way from Long Beach..

Maybe just a little trip off the beaten path but- I remember this nice little "love" message several weeks back. "Well, we oughta forgive, we oughta not go so hard on em, maybe if wer'e nice they'll LET US come back..." Add to this- "You MUST come back to PFAL". Add to this- trying to have some kind of intimate communication with that group of spiritual inept at the best, downright evil at the worst, deadbeats. What are you trying to do? Barter some kind of "deal" with "them" to cease hostilities, return to the mastery of PFAL, and have the "slaves" return? Yeppers. The upper ups there would just LOVE that. Think you're some kind of modern day "Moses" with the mystic "revelation" and you're gonna somehow part the sea to bring back the slaves? Honestly, that's exactly what I would be returning to- under almost ANY condition promised- slavery. There are STILL slaves in that- but I won't say God-forsaken- place- can't rub HIM out entirely, you know. I am beginning to ask myself: "what" am I dealing with here? Less and less does it look human- even "twisted" human. Not an accusation- just my observation. It would surely explain the apparent lack of results.

Probably take "un-choice" number three- dodge, ignore, and slither off into the night.. Cripe- the lack of results just won't go away- took a long long time, but even I figured that out.

Well... my answer to the million dollar question: probably better than I used to.

Don't get mad at me for being "mean" in a public setting.. you're the one that made the claim, IN A PUBLIC SETTING. I would do the same thing in a CHURCH- nicely at first though. The way I see it, you have one of two choices. 1. Eat the claim. Use lots and lots of ketchup. That may help it go down. 2. Show me the results. Honestly- I did not make the claim- you did.