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"Think about it, Craig's last act: install Rosie." I think that's kinda like, Fords first official act, pardon Nixon.

I think the unique belief distinguishes the cult, or group.. but destructive behavior defines it. And usually- they will fight to the death to defend their unique belief, and simply ignore the destructive behavior. Wayfer Not, some of the experiences have been the same for me- as far as dismissing folks as being "nuts" for holding beliefs that they do. Several weeks ago I went to a Unitarian Universalist church one morning.. that was REALLY different, but I would not call them a cult exactly. I actually sat there trying to figure out what they had to offer, or what they were about without jumping up and screaming "you're all possessed" or some such nonsense, heh heh. Maybe there's hope for us after all..

And thank you to whoever deleted that stupid thread for me..

The "don't condemn yourself" line did very little good in the old days I think. I like my pain- at least I won't touch the stove in the same manner again. After kicking my own a** a couple times, I am starting to calm down a little, heh heh.

Yep.. at least anymore, seems I have a little more of a conscience.. at least I hope so. Years ago wouldn't give it a second thought. Its just too easy to damage people with words. Too easy to speak, or to type, for that matter..

Good grief- did it again. God, I can be a miserable, self-righteous, venemous, miserable SOB sometimes, and think its just being funny. Reminded me of the good old days at the worst of times. Its almost as if I never left that stinkhole, at times.. Sometimes, I wish I could just go somewhere and hide, heh heh. Anybody else go through anything like this?

Snort, ha ha ha ha ha..

Gotta get some exercise somehow I guess, heh heh.

Nope, nothing there.. whew, THAT was a close one, heh heh heh heh heh.

I'll have to run home and check under the bed real quick, heh heh.

Or it just could have been the splinters, heh heh.

Heh heh.. well, last time waldo, I mean Rev, cough cough, spit, ptooie- was seen, actually, I think nobody really HAS seen him. Probably has to dress up like a bum or something to get past anybody anymore. Probably holed up under a UPS truck somewhere.. who knows- Life can't be too pleasant, you'd think. Reminds me of my early years- our pet cocker spaniel had a few more morals. Honestly though, I'd hope that he'd be somewhere coming to his senses.

Kind of like saying, "well, sorry we cut off your otherwise healthy leg. On the upside, at least it will never hurt again". For a few perhaps, they ended up OK- but most would have been far better off being treated like human beings. When I left, I had somewhat of a life- a job, a nice comfy place to stay, food on the table, a family- some SUPPORT. Others did not have any of these "luxuries". Some people that were subjected to that kind of "tough love" DIED. Literally. Stone cold dead. And it was NOT THEIR FAULT. But Loy AND CREW wouldn't let the dead rest in peace- marched out every stinking perceived failure of these guys, showing how "devilish" they were, how spiritually dark, how etc. etc. etc... all to keep the other little wayfers and staffers "in line". Despicable. Thankfully, I only heard these kind of rants only once or twice. I can't imagine what it was like for the staffers. No wonder some are terrified to leave. Cripe- you leave, and they PRAY that you'll die. "Christian" organization- ha. It's been about ten years- and I know some of those numbnuts that STILL pray for me to die. Go back to the "good old days"? Ptooie.

Maybe not in those exact words. But pretty close. "Imagine ALL ETERNITY and you're gonna be cleaning the crapper instead of doing something fun- unless you do what I tell you" was a lot closer to what he said- just can't remember the exact words. Sure got me to ignore how miserable I was. Only problem, I think it only works to a certain extent. I got to the point that I thought I'd have a better time in the hot place. He went too far- lost a little bit of the grip. After a while, any anticipated "rewards" lost their luster- just not worth the misery I was paying to earn them..

Amazing- can't leave, can't even leave for a LITTLE WHILE without somebody's nose all the way up your rear.. I'm glad they didn't get the saddle that tight on me, but it was close to it..

Very, very interesting.. makes me wonder where the "absent Christ" concept fits into this.

Ala, nothing there. Please try again.

Please tell me you didn't name him Loy..

My words about L****r still stand though, heh heh. Those who could leave that place with a high hand and still stay.. Ptooie. Must really like the position, love to make people miserable.. at least my opinion. I guess they can't leave, but for a different reason.

Belle, Im trying .. in the meantime, I have put back on a few of my conservative clothes, heh heh. "I remember so many times lcm teaching that if you left the household that God wouldn't and couldn't protect you anymore (and we all know what THAT entails). You'd go "spiritually dark":" The interesting thing that happened to me is, I did NOT forget what I learned in TWI. I just found I needed to take out the garbage. No longer am I required to regurgitate it on a bi- or tri-weekly basis. Going spiritually dark is pretty hard to do when you can't see the ditch to begin with. If anything, I slowly started to spiritually wake up. No more justifying or ignoring evil and hateful behavior, in myself or others, thinking "believing" would fix everything. Just throw enough bible verses at it, and it'll go away.. No longer do I find a devil waiting to jump me behind every rock and motive- my God is a lot bigger than that. When God does show me to get on something, I don't try to analyze it to death either. Sometimes I am miserable, or lonely, or things don't work out like I think they should- but I can still smile, and not blame myself for every little failure in life. Cripe- even with the little pains in life, life is still so much better outside of that flea trap.

But it can feel so darn good, heh heh. But I won't disagree.

Smurfette, thanks for the nice thread, no sarcasm or anything intended. I think this stuff may agree partly with what you asked about, but may just end up being what Christ's doctrine is NOT. To me at least, it is NOT some maniacal miserable SOB's (VP Loy and crowd) take on all of love life and the bible. Not so devilishly hard to intreat that twenty plus years of labor in its service still fails to yield the promised results. I feel like I spent the most part of twenty years in a vat of pickle juice, not the gospel- and my skin is just starting to straighten out again. I think Abraham got pretty close to Christ's doctrine- the Lord said "go" and he went. Didn't have everything figured out, but he didn't sit around retemorizing all the verses he could find that mentioned the word "go". Jesus talked about the "works of your father Abraham". Love God and love your neighbor as yourself seems pretty easy to understand, pretty easy to intreat, at least for me. So does "beware of false prophets"- I think that fits more with the idea of loving yourself. Maybe this love God and love your neigbor as youself is where its all at..

Raf.. I think its like a case of the measles that keeps popping up.. Mike, really. I took the time to look through your old posts. No signs, no miracles, no wonders, nothing. "I cleaned out the hospitals at___", nope. I believe GOD- God almighty- unreservedly. I do not believe YOU. If I don't start seeing a few credentials, I MUST assume you are either a devil with a blue dress on, or just a pretender. You simply leave me no choice.

No joke. Try just going on VACATION somewhere. Anywhere not wayworld related- or even to way world BY YOURSELF. Vacations were frowned upon even before I left in the mid nineties. Those poor devils STILL have to travel in numbers, last I heard- no privacy, no personal life. I think it's despicable how they USE your family members to try to keep you "in line". Disgusting. People that can't leave because if they do, they won't see their wife or husband, again. Or the kids, or the relatives, or the supposed friends. The day I would hear Rivenbark get up on a Sunday night service and announce that "people that are not with us on the word are OK, we love them just as much anyway. It is OK if your spouse or relatives dare to have a different opinion" might get me to soften up a little.. But honestly, at this stage in the game it'd probably just be damage control.

Supposedly he's holed up somewhere in the Toledo area (God have mercy on the neighbors) trying to formulate some kind of victory return or something.. "Moggin Hood: Loy in Tights II: The Old Man can't leap like he used to.."