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I don't know Oldies.. maybe its not a bad thing to just toss it all, at least for me. I tossed everything- not literally- I still have the materials and stuff, just refuse to even examine them, at this stage. When I found out what ole Vic and Loy were really up to, I tossed everything. No kidding- all the keys to the word's interpretation, manifestations, views about other religions and beliefs, HATRED for Catholics and others- even the vocabulary. I cringed when I heard somebody say "bless you". Now, I find myself SLOWLY picking SOME of the stuff back up, on my terms. I am of of the opinion that if doc had stuff right, it was IN SPITE of himself. In a way, I say, trash their names. Go right ahead.. anything good that people got out of it will still float. In a funny way, this kind of thing actually helped me when I was reading some of the posts on WayDale and early Greasespot. I was still of the mind that somehow they had some kind of control over me, and that they could invoke some kind of curse or something. Those who gave us all of those wonderful "goodies" were the same people who claimed to have power over our flesh, to be able to deliver you to devils if you didn't walk right. And you know what happens then, you're a "greasespot" by midnight. It was actually refreshing to see somebody curse the daylights out of those bastards and live to tell about it, and actually still prosper. Got me to think a little. I read the stuff for a LONG time before I dared to post my experiences. Sure, I may have gotten some good out of it, but the price was WAY too high. The cost way too great. Even ONE case of rape is too high of a price to pay for my salvation.

Quite a good point. He has some people fooled, even today. No way he could EVER do any wrong. Well, at least he did not do it to me. Well, maybe it wasn't so bad for THEM. Well... Have to admit he had some charisma.. too damn bad he used to to screw so many people over. Really could've done something good with it.

Besides, I don't know if the plane is big enough anymore..

Priceless, Johnny. At least the bastards can't touch some things.. but they probably would put up exit signs on the doors, leave new birth here.. I think my big problem, is when I left that organization, I took EVERYTHING with me, good and bad.. but such is life I guess. It just greatly frustrates me at times when I find myself doing the same stupid abusive crap that I sometimes did then, some of the junk I learned by example. And I'm still sorting through everything. At least people don't have to hit me over the head with a brick to get my attention, at least not very often anymore..

My one very good friend who lurks here some.. I remember when the new branch corps guy came here about 199(something), His first statement, "so your'e the new d**K on the block" or something close to that. He must have been right, the guy now runs at least a limb..heh heh. I feel sorry for New Jersey..

For the life of me I tried not to do that in my now ex-marriage- and don't think I did, at least consciously. There were categories that she was and probably still is a lot smarter than I.. but she would ask me- what's the final deal.. I'd say like, "what do you think? You're the expert here.." I think she thought I was just plain weak. Stupid crap- messes up more than one of the parties involved..

I saw wives being physically and mentally abused by LEADERS in a group setting. This was in 1974. All the wives did was ask for a little logic to be injected in a supposed group decision being made. "Deserved" it- yeah, right. I would not dream of telling anybody to "just get over it"- not in a million years. Ah, it just makes me long for the "good old days".. they NEVER EXISTED. Maybe 1974 is not TWI-1ish enough for some people.. good grief. It happened, and I saw it. I was just a young punk, too scared to even know what just happened- for a while.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.. "Literal translation according to usage" "We cannot think for ourselves. Instead, you will be subjected to mashed us and refried present untruth junk not fit for the stomach of a rat. But you WILL consume it, obey it, live it, you and your little dog too". "And you'll keep a smile on your face while you do it". My God, the best and newest info the old limb guy could come up here was, yet once again, how to eat three times a day without mixing breads and vegetables. And that we should brush our teeth to avoid cavities. This was the finest stuff I heard come out of his mouth. Unbelievable- I actually believed I owed my life to these morons at one time.

Yep- amazing what they try to do with scripture. If they REALLY stood in the gap, that might be one thing.. Stand in the gap, ha. My experience, especially in later years, they were experts in jumping out of the way- leaving you on your own. Cowards and traitors would be kind words.

Bob, I was thinking about posting that, but you did it far more kindly than what I was thinking, heh heh.

Yep.. but why was it never (or RARELY) done with joy, but GRIEF? If somebody can call several consecutive two hour screaming sessions about only God knows what joy, I have a problem with that. If we were supposedly that screwed up, it would have been more humane to just line us up, shoot us or something.. Interesting. The last "leadership" here was GRIEVED to even think of doing something good for "the household". Tried to squash the remaining little bit of joy and peace that managed to survive. Tried to get everything they could from the area before their joyfully anticipated departure. They were not in to watch for our souls- just their own backsides. No more joy. As "thankful" as they are, this is obviously and sadly lacking. "the only way to do that is with the only group who truly stands on God's word and rightly divides it" Yep. Notice the lack of options- they are the ONLY group that TRULY stands and rightly divides it. I believed that once.. Gads. "Current innies say there is nothing better out there" They are STILL saying this. "There's nothing better, but its better, you outghta think about coming back..." almost as if you owe them to return. Good grief.

I don't know why I keep thinking the Hardhead- that was an old puppy. My friend was on one of the first nukes. Around the vietnam era.

Now I'm embarassed.. the last one he was on was named after a dolphin, the name ended with "head".. all I can remember at the moment. It'll pop up in my memory when I least expect it..

Tattooed, biker cats fall with the same acceleration from penthouses as their normal, regular couterparts.

I was wondering about that. My friend who was in sub service- nice guy, but about all he can take of me is about twenty minutes a week- and it's been decades since he was locked up in one of those tin cans with a bunch of other guys.. I think the ladies do have a little more to offer, and are much prettier to look at. Makes sense to me, anyway..

Well, the slow times this morning, it only took about a minute and a half to load a page. Before this, on real slow times, a page may NEVER load. But I don't blame you or the site- probably two and a half million herbal "remedy" emails floating around that's gunking up the works.. With DSL connection here, when its fast, its as fast as lightning.

"I owe my whole stinkin life, fortune and sacred honor to throw myself into that septic tank".. The sad part of it, it is STILL a relevant discussion. People STILL believe this nonsense. I think that's what gave me such a sick feeling after looking at the "wonderful for da vey" website, reading the kids posts about being so "thankful" or "blessed". They have been taught to believe this junk. They are just taking it to the next generation, I guess.. Even some who are out, and that for a LONG time, STILL think they have some kind of debt to pay. Sad..

Shellon, tell me how you REALLY feel. heh heh. "You KNOW you're just living paycheck to paycheck towing the company line because you can't do anything else" Belle, that is indeed a short leash for the poor bast***s. Sometimes I don't know whether to loathe them, or feel sorry for them.. what a pathetic existence.

The car pulls up the fourth or fifth time. "Which way did you say to go?" We're just trying to get expert advise from somebody with the same amount of mental acumen as ourselves. Now you see why guys hesitate to ask for directions.. heh heh.

X marks the spot on this one.. Besides, it is SO educational. How else can you learn the ninety nine INCORRECT ways to get to said destination? Then you're the expert. Then if somebody else is looking for it, you can say "no, don't go that way, or that other way- this way may work..."

What about this character? Was in Morgantown WV in 1974- went corps- what happened to him? I think he did some work in the research department when it was still active.

Was it worth it.. at this point, I have to say I don't know. Don't know if my opinion will ever change. Makes me want to answer a question with a question. Why in the world did those two lousy sonsabitches have to make it so damn hard? Life would be so much easier to figure out if they just kept their friggin ***** in their pants, kept from spewing their lousy venom, and just did the godly thing. Would have made life a heck of a lot easier. Finding out about the bad stuff, I now find myself sorting out what's good and what's poison. They betrayed me, betrayed all of us- in my opinion. Anything good I got out of that organization, I have to learn it over again, and again. I would have been better off learning from somebody that was godly to begin with. So I know how to use a concordance, do a word study, and read greek. Whoopee. Could've got that almost anywhere else. The same organization that brought me to all of those "wonderful people" is the same one that marked and avoided, separated close friends, and some of these I may never see again. Some are instructed that if they happen to see me, just act nice, and run as fast as they can when I'm not looking. But if there was no ministry, the likelihood of coming to where I am now, with the two kids I have- and they are fifty times better than me- probably never would have happened. I wouldn't trade away all the heartache in the world for them. Was it worth it? I'll probably be confused about this crap till the day of my death..

"How was work today honey?" "Lousy. My bursitis is killing me. By mid-afternoon, I couldn't throw another cat..."

Quite agreeable with me. I find it interesting how those with the morals less than jackasses- Loy, Vic, and crowd, had the worst stuff to say about him. I remember what jist was, "well, he MAY be a good guy, but getting them born again doesn't give them any real answers.." or some such nonsense. I remember old Loy's "living sanctified" series. he certainly did not live up to his words.. Billy Graham on the other hand, didn't give people a single valid reason to rattle their jaws.

Oldies, not that I need to defend her or anything, but remember that Rascal is a LADY. My momma taught me better..