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Makes me wonder why you never hear a peep out of the old "gal". Could it be: Anything she says in a public forum will be utterly flawed, and as such, ripped to shreads, much like ole Harve's "valiant" proclaimation of "the truth" about Mrs. Wierwille? Perhaps she knows any statements to anybody about anything will be just more fuel to help burn down another small, insignificant and failing organization.. It must take the bravery of a lion, to have to hide behind behind the skirts of lackeys like Harve, poor Jean, and the second-rate security guard. I wonder what a trip to the mall is like for her- maybe that's part of Donna's "assignment"- put on some kind of disguise, and go out to do the shopping.. Cowardice. And cowards die a thousand deaths. Or just plain shrewd, twisted and evil.

Maybe this is more of a question, than a doctrinal discussion, but- I always had a hankering to know, what happened to him? At least as far as the epistles and such are concerned, he seems to fade out of history.. What happened? Did he end up like some kind of LCM wannabe and tear the early church apart? Or did he end up like a Chris Greer and do the same? Or did he just go off and live the rest of his life somewhere in peace? Seems there should be some kind of historical record, but I have not seen it. Anybody know anything?

Also, I am "almost" a mathmetician. I look at this one almost every day. Math Stuff

Ham Radio Stuff I am a ham, after all.. I have watched this program since the early seventies. Special effects are awful, but it has had quite a good story line: Science Fiction If there wasn't something about squirrels, I would not know what to do: Squirrels, heh heh.

He just could not pull that one off, heh heh. Sure tried, though.. Radar, you bring up a few serious points, and I consider them valid. I have had my own share of nightmares. Invisible one, I think you make a very good point. He sure did not carry the show alone, as he wished he could, despite his best efforts. Never happened. I always wondered what all the "Paul of Tauraus" and "Joshua' was all about- this was slightly beyond the time of my exit. Sounded pretty ridiculous, at least to me.

Looks like I met my match, heh heh. Welcome, Mr. Bohu.

Since we are doing the what it is not, I thought this might be a little fun. LCM- what he is NOT: 1. NOT Paul of Taursus, despite his presentation of himself otherwise. 2. He wasn't Napoleon, either. Would have made more sense though. 3. He was NOT Joshua. Joshua brought deliverance. Loy, no. He was nowhere near that. Besides, I don't think you could find Joshua in tights in MILLION blue moons. 4. Not Da Man of God for our Day and Time. History itself, besides logic and sanity, have born this out. 5. NOT worth anywhere NEAR the fifteen or so percent of our incomes so that God would supposedly spit in our direction.. 6. Definitely NOT a research specialist in any way, shape, or form. "Questionable" was any "new light", or stolen from an otherwise reputable source. (and they actually made him "head" or research, good grief..) 7. Not humble or meek. You've gotta be joking.. 8. Not a "prophet". At least of the true God. If he was, the pope would be even now working us over in his newly acquired aircraft carrier.. I could keep going, but why should I have all the fun?

That hits the nail on the head. I have been alluding to this on the other thread, I think.. What it is not certainly helps to define it, and not according to the Vey dictionary. What it is not: Angry because you cannot afford the rent in a TWI ideal neighborhood, when you easily paid the mortgage payment in the old neighborhood that you really loved.. Exasperated because you finally counted how much money you threw down the pit of hell over the last twenty five years.. Mourning because you have been cut off from intimate contact with former friends, and yes, even those whom you considered close family.. Furious because you found out what the former accuser (past prez) got away with, which was FAR WORSE behavior than you, and you were reamed a new one, when you only had four mints instead of five in the tray for the convening MOG, and did not have each one broken precisely in half. (did not happen to me, but is a true story...) Suing the he** out of the bast***s because they allowed a serial abuser, and rapist in my opinion, to have at your wife as often as he wished.. To have the audacity to question the "accuracy" of some of the most bizarre dogma to come from the mind of a madman.. Good grief.. the list could go on for MILES. But each of these describe a situation or people that have been so labelled as just being "bitter" or possessed..

Nope, but I did eventually went back to school. I think finding what I should have done long ago and doing it helped quite a bit..

Yep.. but its not too difficult to imagine ole Rose and Donna going off "Emeritus" somewhere. Just keep the bucks and slaves rolling that way.. But who's the next prez? Ole Harve would be a shoe in.. Staffers, if you think its tough under the present prez and "special assistant", wait till Harve has you under his thumb. His little pinky is gonna be heavier than the loins of Donna and Rose combined. Go ahead and laugh, what do you think I know anyway. Its your life.. Should have made it a six year commitment for ole Rose, like when Athaliah had six years to do whatever she wanted with the land..

Not yet, forgot.. have to pick some up for this monday. Report will be forthcoming, heh heh.

Could be- for myself, if I spent my days scheming murder, revenge and the like, I think that would pretty much qualify as bitterness. But when somebody says "well, it wasn't such a big deal"- I don't think its bitter to counter that it indeed was.. The other Vey definition of bitterness I was thinking of: "The recalcitrant SOB's refuse to let go of a serious matter and leave us alone. We demand acceptance that whatever we did must be godly. Those who think we even need forgiveness and refuse to measure it out for free, allowing us to stay our current course, is, bitter". At least that's the way I understand it. No apologies necessary- they don't owe anybody anything. Interesting with the debt teaching- "owe no man anything" but never "but to love". They honestly in the sight of God owe us something. But I am powerless to to collect. That's OK, I have no problem with that, but for me, it won't happen again. In a way, I think Greasespot is some kind of "spiritual" credit bureau. After reading the report, I sure wouldn't give TWI any business.

Good grief- it would make as much sense telling a three year old kid, after burning the he** out of himself the first time on a stove, and he's still dancing around screaming, "well, you don't have to be bitter about it". What in the world do the bast***s expect?

Good points Satori- I could only add to that- they are still dazzled, or "bewitched" if you will, by their beloved MOG/Mogette's definition of bitterness. "dissatisfied by unbiblical or just plain nasty treatment received from the hands of those in charge of that pile of crap called a ministry". Just call it bitterness, that will sure make it go away, I'm sure.. Got raped by the then MOG? Angry about it? Well, you're only being bitter about it. Have to sell your house on the whim of supposed leadership? Upset when your full time calling is pulled out from under your feet because of some idiot's supposed revelation failed to come to pass? Just bitter, I guess.. Years of resources flushed down the tube? Maybe you're just a "disgruntled" ex-follower. Can't rely on THAT for the assessment of an organization now, can we.. "They" haven't even seen anything even close to bitterness here, at least by a more valid definition of it.

What about this pair? Anybody know what may have happened with them? Last I heard, they were at Indiana campus. The other Oeding on a close by thread is indeed his brother.

Very, very good point. Well, that leaves him one of the two options. It can't be good- the one or the other. Either just very, very evil, or wearing a beanie cap and jumping in tights the rest of his days, heh heh. I prefer to think something in between the two. I certainly don't claim to be any kind of expert.. I think there's at least a little bit of evil in all of us. In Loy's case, it was carefully fanned, nourished, trained, and exercised to practical perfection. Good grief- for him, very little was off limits- just like his predecessor.

Well, one agreeable point I can see- with the IRS, it is definitely about the money, heh heh.

Well, it has been documented that they track posters here. The ones they are really after are those who are still in the organization, and seemingly spare no effort to try to identify them. They will selectively leak specific info and watch to see it posted here. It has happened. Certain posters verified that they were confronted with copies of what they typed, and I think some of them were given the famous "bums rush" out of the joint. My opinion, its wasted effort; the organization is as good as dead. Even doc Frankenstein won't be able to revive it..

Yep- quite true. But I couldn't help taking at least one good cheap shot, heh heh.

Perhaps, but you'd think anybody with any kind of reputation or scruples would distance themselves as far as possible from that rat trap. Associations with "those" kind of people certainly can't look very good on a politician's resume..

Well, that WOULD explain the obsession with tights..

Yep. I suppose it just wouldn't be "Christian" not to go to meal with ole Jeffrey either..

Beter Biper Bicked a Beck of Bitter Betters Sowy

Thanks, I needed that.. I hope you saw the humor in it, the mind picture of a pair of IRS auditors with smiles on their faces kind of made my morning, heh heh.

To this I would say.. wouldn't be suprised. For me, it would not be hard to find my name and current address in fifteen seconds. I would be very suprised if they did not have some kind of file on me- but I don't think its worth the bother, most of what I post can't really be THAT important. Maybe they think they are gonna pull it out as exhibit A at the Bema or something, "see, see, that's what he said about us...." That kind of mentality kind of makes sense in an odd way, heh heh. But I was thinking a little further this morning. I remember the little sales trick they shoved down our throats about having to produce some bucks to take the class- "well, money can be replaced. What about your time?" Unfortunately, it often turned out to be a waste of time as well.. But the idea that somehow money was inferior, that there are more important things, that it wasn't worth fighting over- sure does not make sense, at least now. So, I offer the current BOT some "sound" advice. "It is only money. Money can be replaced, anyway. Its not a big deal. If you are not going to do what you said you were going to do with the money, give it to someone who will, or just give it back. You don't really NEED it, you can't take it with you when you go stone cold dead- besides, you'd be saving your precious time carrying on all the shenanigans, you'd stop the mad scramble for power when you are gone, and you could spend your few precious years trying to do SOMETHING USEFUL with your life, other than wasting it away, being leeches on the back of God's elect". Any takers?