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Yep. Why not wake up, get up out of your rabbit hole, and confront us internet "knuckleheads" with the logic of YOUR (emphasis- not God's) WORD? Assume that I'm a gainsayer, and assuming you have the truth, CONVINCE me. Think "prevailing"! Surely you can prevail in a little open debate- note I did not say an open letter, like good ole harve-on-the-end-of-a short-chain delivered for his mistress.. And it better be logical. I can only think of two logical reasons I can think of why you wouldn't: 1. You know you are wrong. 2. You're a coward. Still want to work for ole Rosie? I'd rather have a job shoveling manure somewhere..

"Raf, heres a good trick. Everytime you want a cigarette go into the bathroom, stick your head in the toilet and give yourself a swirly. I think it might work, if not, it will be a lot of fun to read about." Sounds like some real "fun" Lindy. One thing, what exactly is a swirly?

Sometimes the answer to prayer is "no". Or perhaps "No, a thousand times NO." Or even, "when it starts raining gold bullion in your back yard on a regular basis, that's when its gonna happen". "Believing" certainly does little to circumvent this. A lot of this reminds me of Abraham's little talk with the Lord.. "If you find five righteous people there I'll spare the city". Never happened. Abraham must have been such a rotten believer, heh heh. But when he quit trying to figure it out, and get out of God's way, things happened- pretty good for an old codger.. I got to the point that I was just tired and worn out trying to claim this or that, or be positive about the outcome, or trying to analyze where I was not "believing". Worn out. If the Almighty needs that kind of assistance, something's wrong, in my opinion. I think we made believing too big of a deal. I think that without God's input, the sea is not going to part, the mountains are not going to move- even with our best efforts. I don't ask why any more- maybe God wants the stinking mountain where its at, heh heh.

It was Emporia for me. 1982.

This one from ChasUFarley speaks for itself.. "Hell, there's more excitement and action in my cat's litterbox than there is in TWI - not to mention the litterbox smells better!"

Heh heh heh. That one belongs in the Greasespot gems thread.

Yep. And come to think of it, it was an unreasonable fear that they have foisted on God's people. Somehow, before we ever even heard of Da Vey, I would say most if not all of us were not camped out in a cemetary like the guy in the tombs. Now God needs our help, to keep this from happening- right. If that is true, we were better of not being redeemed to begin with- at least my opinion. Are their words so ineffectual, that the slightest variation from them result in, horror of horrors, "POSSESSION!"? I'd rather trust my life to a witchdoctor. At least it would be more entertaining..

Catcup, the silence is almost deafening here. They made one "mistake" with ole Harve, not likely to do it again.. It must be hell to be the chief speaker in an organization that can't afford to make a public statement. They are so convoluted that anything they would have to say is wrong, heh heh.

My opinion- they probably think they are better off NOT announcing it. Definitely would cause more problems and unrest than that which they would be attempting to remedy. They'd have to back-pedal on half of the policies they have held on to for the last thirty or so years.

Just one more thought.. TWI gives to charity, but sadly neglects its own- yep, I am thinking about Mrs. Wierwille. Lets see- they are willing to contribute funds, in any amount to help "the ungodly" (by their definition) and practically turn their backs on their most faithful supporter. I can hear Loy screaming at the top of his lungs. I wonder how all of the mini-mogs are taking this in.. Their own logic and reasoning condemns them.

I agree.. but when I dropped a little cash in the drawer, I was comforted that at least a LITTLE of it was going to do some good for somebody. Can't say that about what I gave to Da Vey. Oh, forgot. Once ole doc used a little of it to repopulate the Ohio countryside with rabbits after a real rough winter killed them off. It did help to build a rather large building that I am no longer welcome in, and likely never will be again. Can't see what good that did.. they still need an army of slaves to keep the sucker up and running. Even if two cents out of every dollar goes directly to disaster relief, its sure an improvement over what TWI did with my money. From what I see, local organizations have a better track record. There is an abused child support organization in our city, where very little funds go to administrative costs.

Steve! Well, it looks like you tried, heh heh.

There seem to be SO MANY roads to possession, at least according to TWI (and their representatives) Offer honest criticism. Spill the beans about secrets about the inner circle. Disagree with the statement that there never was really a holocaust (yep- they called one gal I know possessed because of this, and sent her home from the advanced class). Refuse to get a vasectomy because you already have three kids. Surf the internet. Have a copy of a nice painting by Van Gogh in your dining room. Read material written by outside sources, not controlled by TWI. Give money to the Red Cross instead of TWI. My, the list could be practically endless. And current innies will tow the line because of it- fear of possession. I think it is just a sign of lack of education or genuine reasoning skills- it is just so easy to label something that you do not understand, disagree with, or just plain annoys you as being "possessed".

Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. All dogs WILL suffer.

The despicable thing about all this was that not only were you required to "lovingly" kiss their rear ends, conditions were attached to be even qualified to do so. Lets see- you had to be out of debt- any form of debt. You were required to jump at the mere suggestions of leadership,and never, ever question their logic or fallibility. You had to roll like a dog in their rehashed teachings that would offend the intellect of an eighth grader. That's just for starters. Add to that requirments to schedule family, friends and even work out of your life to go to the newest and the bestest events.. Do all this, and they MAY consider if you are spiritual enough to kiss their royal arses. And don't forget to brush, floss and use mouthwash before doing so.

Be careful.. the "lefties" (and righties for that matter) might take that kind of statement as a compliment, heh heh.

Well, she may be a self-serving, coniving, riches seeking, ultra-controlling rugmuncher with delusions of godhood, with serious need of attention from the "reflections" department, but at least she, well, um... good grief. Can't think of anything positive to say, heh heh.

I normally refrain from posting about political stuff but- heh heh. While I was in TWI, lessee- I voted for Reagan, I voted for George Sr. I voted for George Jr once. You could have described me as a dyed in the wool conservative and been pretty close to reality. So much of my political opinion was definitely religion, or more specifically TWI driven. After leaving, I started to THINK. Iraq besides, Bush and administration is strong-arming anybody they can to implement a fifty year old technology, touting it as the answer to the broadband "dilemma"- it is called BPL, or broadband over power lines. His own scientists and technicians warned of its disasterous interference with radio services, almost ALL radio services. This includes emergency, hobby, aircraft, police fire and rescue, almost all radio services. Despite the evidence, he chose to strong-arm his own scientists into modifying their statements, and turned the FCC into a puppet to rubber stamp the deal for the power companies. To me, this says a heck of a lot more about his character than any self-confessed religious belief. He's in bed with somebody, and not the American people, in my opinion.. I did not vote for him. God help me, I think I'm turning into a Liberal, heh heh.

But the same thing could be said of Loy: he may have been a swastika kissing, high goose-stepping, unfaithful, overbearing, abusive, lily livered and hateful bag of dung, but at least he was not a slovenly housekeeper.

Now now, don't give him too many compliments, heh heh.

Now you've gone and done it Satori- 269 views of this thing, and we've got 269 more possessed from the pit wascals in the world, sheesh. Heh heh.

"Foul breathed ***** cat action" ha ha ha ha ha...

I don't know who to congratulate more, you or son. Congratulations to both. You both did a fine job. Just curious, what's next? Does he have any plans (yet)?

Tell us how you really feel, Catcup, heh heh.

Just got thinking of another little principle- out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. They were so filled with that junk, they couldn't help themselves. I think what the bast**ds blurted out was just the tip of the iceberg.