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So far, the vast majority of votes tallied indicate that folks were "born again" before PFAL. In a lot of ways, I think the stinking bunch tried to brand us, like some kind of cattle: "'Way' New Birth" You know, we are "The Way's herd". Cattle rustlers beware.. "Well, my new birth has GOT to be better than yours, its, well, so much more biblically 'accurate'..."

As part of the record, may I add.. The folks I introduced to the word.. most who SIT'd did so only AFTER I sorted through vics bunch of hooey, and explained the phenomena in terms they could understand- yes, before the class even began. The class coordinators were actually WORRIED that folks wouldn't get "the fullness of the spirit" on the twelfth session- I wonder why.. Apparently, there was a little check list at the end of the class, and explanations had to be given WHY they DIDN'T. You didn't want to get on THAT hot seat.. "His" ministry, indeed! More of Stile's ministry- it was his instructions how to do it after all..

Thanks Ted! Keep on truckin too yourself- just don't get busted down on Burbon Street or anything..

Well.. before the class, lets see. I knew the greek alphabet, and could use almost any lexicon or concordance you could throw at me.. I already had memorized the KJV titles of the books of the bible, in order.. Personally, I did not vote for number five, because these little details may or may not qualify one as a biblical "scholar".

That's what I was kind of thinking. They'd REALLY "discerned" a few "spurts", heh heh..

No no no Rascal. Your commentary is MORE than welcome here! :)-->

OK.. then your vote would be number four.

The survey: What it is NOT: Mainly, it is NOT- what was I like before "Twig" Or "What was my condition before meeting up with another believer". Now, What it IS: Specifically, "what was I like before checkered flag was waved" in session one of PFAL.

But- what was the situation before session one? 1. Were you "born again"? 2. Did you know about SIT? 3. Did you do it? 4. Did you turn into a biblical "scholar" before then?

My thoughts on this: What you learned in twig does not count for number four. That was done under someone else's "ministry".

Thanks so far- all opinions and comments are more than welcome. But- what I am SPECIFICALLY looking for is, what was your exact condition and what was the precise result when you took da class? Say anything you wish, but please include, however briefly, the answer for this specific question. :)-->

Number six will have to be a write in ballot- only five choices possible for the survey. "I took the class, and either did NOT SIT, or really think I 'faked it'.' or in other words, "It didn't do it for me".

Some rules here though.. choice number four- if someone that was even remotely related to der vey other than vic "led you" into SIT, this STILL belongs under number four. It was not directly done under "doc" vic's "ministry". Edited to fix my three's and four's..

Other threads seem to bring this up- the apparent merits or lack therof of "mr" vic's little gem of a ministry.. Personally, I did the "thing" long before PFAL. It may not be exactly scientific, but- here's the survey.

I don't think that's too far off the beaten track.. May be helpful for those who "just got here". Really. You're not gonna be a greasespot by midnight or anything.. All those tirades mean NOTHING. Like voodoo, the only way they can effect you is if you believe them. Sure, the world isn't paradise on earth or anything, but even the "devils" are friendlier than the leadership I left behind in TWI. Case in point: Same argument. "Stay, and put up with our junk for getting a few blessings, or just go out with 'them'" Personally, I'd listen to paganistic, atheistic diatribe over that junk any day of the week.. its gotta be bad when the "unbelievers" make more sense.

Yep. Sounds like the Curse of loy.. "Won't take my word for it? Just GO out there, just go and look. There is NOTHING godly or worthwhile, and things out there are just so darn EVIL... the WHOLE WORLD STINKS. Go ahead and GO. But don't say I didn't warn you about all the devils, beasts, and wild animals that await you.. " That little tirade made MOST people afraid to go and even look.. I can outline evil for you fellow. Almost ten years out of this stinking, opressive outfit, and the effects are just now starting to wear off.

In a strange sort of way, I wish this character came to twig. He would've REALLY fixed the kool aid..

Oh yeah. Even in the "good old days", I remember what uncle H. (not OUR uncle Hairy) said- something to the effect of all vic had to say was "thus sayeth da Lard" and they would sweep all common sense aside.. cast all logic to the wind, and follow him like he was the almighty or something.. loy played that little card too, to promote whatever latest fiasco he was trying to hatch. Corps going full time. cancelling the WOW program, and ROA. the homo purge. the "useless people" purge get out of debt, of ANY kind, or get a goin.. "God told ME this is what we've gotta do.." I for one, had respect enough at one time for the SOB to believe him. I still think the "blessings" were largely an illusion. We got in that little pressure cooker, and it was nice, warm and cozy for a WHILE..

Rascal, that is a pretty accurate assessment of conditions here, as early as 1996.. We saw the WORST- the most unscrupulous, uncompassionate, hateful, unforgiving.. honest only if it could make them a buck.. And guess what- they are STILL in charge. Hey, a couple I know even got promoted for it.. "well done, thou good (?) and faithful (?) servant (???!!!).. "here ya go. You did a wonderful job wrecking an entire limb. Maybe its time for you to step up to the plate and see what you can do for an entire REGION..."

Yep. Reminds me of an old story I heard- grandpa fell asleep on the couch. The grandkids went to the fridge, got out the Limburger cheese, and applied it to his mustache. Grandpa awoke with a snort, "God, it stinks in here.." Out of the house he goes, and says, "holy smokes, the WHOLE WORLD stinks.."

According to an unnamed, unfaced, heavily disguised, and not so obviously non fraudulant trenchcoat wearing source, and wearing groucho glasses too, this report is true. Really. Computers everywhere have gone berserk, as if they have a mind of their own. Pictures of Paw began appearing on all of der vey's computer monitors, taunting them.. Mysteriously, all the computers in finance determined how much was donated by each "follower" for the last thirty years,and forthwith issued refund checks. Rosie's computer dialed up, and anomynously made an appointment for her for a session with a beauty parlor and plastic surgeon. Staff computers were observed with their monitors spinning, not looking unlike Linda Blair's head in "The Exorcist". No matter what the "research department" typed, all the printers would print was "I won't print THAT for love nor money; you're a friggin liar. " L*nd*r apparently had to requistion another monitor, after putting the original one "out of its misery".

Yep. The eyes of strange, eerie things very likely are on them.. L*nder, Don't let it worry you too much. Just keep your hand on that beretta. But I'd be careful where you aim it- don't wanna shoot the "wrong thing" off you know..

Well, my posts very likely, and soon- will reach the 3000 mark. "Thinks Gore won the election"- ptooie. Paw, we're gonna HAVE to do something about THAT.

Heh heh. Well, the group came on the scene before I was the twinkle in some moglets PFAL eye.. Nope. the accessory. And boy do they make those dern things fly.. Whoops, must've gotten the wrong kind of mushroom at the store..

"Now, you have a choice. You can just take that money out of the basket, and give it back to the kid, or, ..."