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Momentus, I never had anything to do with it, can't comment on that.. but I've read a LITTLE of CES's materials. To me, it looks like old TWI doctrine, polished and honed to "perfection". Their book on One God did seem to handle a couple of controversial sections in the bible, a little bit better than vics assumptions. I have to give them some credit for original thinking.

Therefore it makes perfect sense why they ABANDONED it. Maybe even self-righteous hucksters may eventually say "enough is enough".. Oughta sell the brooklyn bridge only so many times. After all, there are LOADS of other bridges in the world just begging to be sold.. lots newer, too.

CFF is kinda what der vey wished that they once could have been, I think.. But names are fine. If not BOT/BOD/former BOT/BOD, we kind of disguise the names. Like we know W*yn* Cl**, J*h* Shr*y*r, and others in that organization that were once with TWI.

he even plagiarized that little scenario..

Well, The Man.. I agree. It could be quite cruel.. Sometimes, just for myself personally, I'd like to know if my "sense of humor" really helps or if its just p*ssing somebody off.. Hard to tell most of the time.

*shudder*

More questions than answers here, I guess..

Really? Was that the state of the art at that time? 8000 watts.. lessee. That's a BANK of EIGHTY one-hundred watt bulbs. I wonder how valid this claim is. I know the old film formats required a higher light level than modern equipment, but was this the norm?

Yep. Like he WAS a John, or a Paul.. sure left a lot to the imagination. I remember a couple of people claiming how great vic was, because he did indeed "see it". The claim didn't exactly square with his self-confessed lack of knowledge about the book of Revelation and the end times..

I would agree. Probably the soundest argument I think I have ever heard you put forth Mike.. "and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many" One more point to throw into the fray: it says "many" bodies of the saints, not "all". Could this possibly give David an exemption to this alleged "ressurection"?

I still think a "throw tomatoes at poster" or some kind of equivalent would be appropriate, along with a "do something nice" for poster. Sometimes people don't know what kind of effect their posts are having. people could anomously evaluate said posts. Who knows, maybe it would be cruel.. some folks would get a pretty nasty beating..

"cannot" describe.. good grief. He seems to stop short of claiming he went to the "third heaven and earth" like John and Paul.. sees "undescribable" glory or something.

They did seem to drive people to extremes..

Well, its 2:30 AM here, and THE stupid mosquito sprayer jusT Had to bE buzzing down THE street. Shoulda taken a fly swatter to THE darn thing..

Pretty girls surely were a plus.. but I think I was young and dumb. Too young, too inexperienced- easy mark. Got sucked in way too easily. I loved the "love"..

I don't know if I exactly hate THE WAY. More like I hate what they did, what they do, or rather, what I found out what they did, hiding behind their self-righteous facade, at least when I was in the organization.

I wonder how much mileage they're gonna try to get out of that one.. "gee, we were actually on TV twenty years ago, before we got the beating of a lifetime for it.." Your ABS, not exactly at work..

Never heard anything about this character. Anybody know what happened?

Interesting how they put "historical figures" out to pasture..

Partial quote, anyway.. I wonder if the horns and blood and stuff was just a tactic to scare the riff-raff off.. Religious and self-righteous hucksters would avoid that organization like the plague.

Thanks Bob!

Brother Speed, I really like your avatar..

Explains everything.. why else would he leave him unnamed in the foundational class? Love em and leave em I guess..

And keep saying that loud and long enough, perhaps people will believe it..

You're in good company.. some of us are well beyond that..