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See what happens when you leave Groucho in charge, Satori? This place goes to h*ll in a handbasket..

".. from henceforth, let this day, the nineteenth day of January, be known as the Day of the Shyster, and full benefits thereof not limited to MOGS but MOGETTES and MOG wanabes, and MOG mini-mes, not to imitate the Shyster, but to BE the Shyster, to solemly pledge to plagiarize, to pillage, and to plunder, all the days of their life.."

why am I not suprised.. and this kind of response, to a PEER, or better.. If the angel Gabriel came down and had a conversaton with him, he probably would still hold onto this nonsense.

Personal prophecy and momentus.. I think they had to mine pretty deep to get that kind of snake oil to sell. and not to the world at large, but mainly those who escaped the grasp of TWI. PP does have a famiar tone to it.. it is the next cult mutation of prophecy on demand, and not much unlike its predecessor in TWI. It's still on their website.. http://www.truthortradition.com/ My first act as pres probably would have been to take that down. I guess as long as there are snakes, there will be snake oil.

Yah.. It's been that way for DAYS here. Look at recent thread.. Who are they? What are they? No one seems to know...

Reminds me of a scene from the original Home Alone movie: I can see KG, with a twinkle on her golden tooth.. My apologies to Home Alone fans..

Here is what the U.S. copyright office says about it: looks like the Mrs. holds (or rather, held) the copyright. At least it was renewed as such in 1999.

Welcome Neo! I would say your post was not off topic here. AFTER knowing what these "men" did, to publicly call vic "the man of god" or "the teacher".. is very revealing as to a person's spirituality, at least in my opinion. Or revealing as to a person's agenda, or character.

How about: criminals and hoodlums should suffer and pay the consequences, provided that "the ministry" isn't embarrassed about it..

and it doesn't stop... 284 active in the last 35 minutes, only 23 members and 12 anonymous(you know who you are ) 23 in open.. 36 in CES 24 in about der vey NOBODY in tacks or decaf.. where are the rest of them? Milling about, trying to get an interview with the dishwasher? Paw, did you put a "now hiring" sign outside?

Groucho gave me the idea I think.. "why debate when you can pontificate" That one has follwed several ex-ways everywhere they go..

Naw, it wasn't Moses. Paul was the plagiarist. That was his thorn in the flesh, after all..

ahh.. the best of two worlds!

What REALLY amazes me, is in light of all of the plagiarism, abuse and worse coming to light, there are those from his old regime that want to shove all the skeletons back in the closet. ".. nothing more to see here, move along, move along.." Well, can't say it's a suprise exactly. Many of his staunchest supporters likely covered his a** then, no reason why not to now..

My vote is on the latter of the two.

Now at 205 active last 35 minutes.. and 177 are guests.. only 19 members plus several anonomous wascals.. 51 in about the vey, 47 are guests.. 49 in open.. 40 guests.. 33 in CES forum.. 26 are guests.. not one in tacks. that leaves about 60 of "whoever" milling about the lobby or something.. maybe they just need directions. ".. ah, the bathroom.. take the long hall, look for the second door on the left.."

Currently: 53 on CES 56 on Open 37 on about the vey 2 on prayer forum 2 on just plain silly. Probably not GW checking us out- only 1 in politcs and tacks..

234 users in the last ten minutes.. I still think it's somebody's psych class researching cult behavior

Here is a link to the United Presbyterian Church's finances last year- and this is TYPICAL of religious organizations. Thirty-three pages, independantly audited.. and "available"- to someone who is NOT EVEN A MEMBER of their church (me). PDF file, if you really want to see it.. They don't seem to be afraid that anyone out there will missuse or abuse the information.

Widespread misuse and abuse? What happened? Did somebody send a copy to the IRS or something?

Yeah WordWolf.. I remember that too. the "invitation" was extended to ANY standing PFAL grad. But I never knew anyone who even dared to ask.. didn't want to hurt Moggy's feelings ya know.. I'd send you a copy OM.. but I threw mine out about five years ago.

301.. sounds about right for the number of students in a psychology class at one of the big three or something.. the eyes of strange, eerie things may be upon us..

Hey.. whatever they put in your coffee this morning Satori.. can I have some?

I dunno.. it seems the only bit of press they can manage to muster up is HERE, at GSC. Not to minimize our concerns or interests, but that does speak to me of the failure of the CES as an organization. They've had over twenty years to make their mark.. Their last ditch effort with the personal prophecy gambit didn't stir up enough muck to get them mentioned in the local town news.. Well.. the matter MIGHT be fodder for Judge Joe Brown, or Judge Judy.. I usually don't watch TV court. But for that one, I'd make an exception..

Really. The practical demise of CES et al, and I didn't see even a murmer in the press. Reporters were NOT anxiously waiting outside of the board room, waiting for the announcement.. no press releases.. "(ahem) little known cult in Indiana today fired its CEO, after suffering a fit of arachnaphobia.." Nothing. Of course it has some relevance to us, because of our ties to CES's parent organization, and to those involved..