Ham

"Believing" "the spiritual equivalent of putting a half-nelson on the lord, until you force him to give you your favorite parking spot."

"The Rock of Ages" "A three day festival, of sex, drugs, and rock and roll.." whoops, wrong dictionary..

1989.. my, how time flies.. it was almost like yesterday. Funny how I can remember seeing that, but I couldn't tell you what the evening teaching was, for the life of me.. oh, call me Ham.

I think they slowly added "mystery meat" into the blend as the week went on.

we got a couple of inches of lake effect snow last night. "cute" white fluffy stuff blowing about.. I wonder if the lakes will freeze to the bottom this year..

"Discerning of spirits" "See snow on the gas pumps".

I can't remember.. was it 1996, or 1997?, There was a complete lunar eclipse. I remember watching the moon that night, there were only three of us standing there watching knowing what was going on.

maybe they oughta open a new store, "spiders 'r' us" " All you wanted to ask about spiders, but were afraid (or better informed) to ask..'

"Fear" "a rational response to run like h*ll from real and perceived danger, modified by assurances that things are really not as they logically seem to be"

Personally, I think the "crap" that people think they have on the inside is really great beauty. Don't get me wrong, I know people can be twisted, etc.. But I think a lot of this kind of "training" does little more than confuse someone that their uniqueness and individuality is some kind of evil, to be stamped out with 18 pound bible. If somebody has REAL issues, they don't need momentus, they need a psychiatrist. My opinion at least.

"visible AND unvisible snow in Tulsa" "see 'snow on the gas pumps'"

"Snow on the gas pumps" "a mystical experience, usually attained by ingesting copius amounts of LSD, and/or subjecting oneself to long periods of meditation and fasting"

Probably about the same time some poster here related that they heard vic say, "I think I've made a mistake..."

Now, I wonder what vic thought, as he watched his "man" strutting his stuff in tights, in front of the whole world..

"Athletes of the Spirit". "A unforgettable half baked effort, more aptly named, 'dancing with debils in the pale moon light', or 'frolicking with loy by the light of the full moon' "

I knew it.. well, something had to be good.. It was kinda fun camping with the kids, when things weren't so dark and serious, and we could actually play. I remember when they blocked off the parking lot in was it founder's hall? and filled it with water. I think ROA had some value, when it was more of a family type of event, and teachings were optional.

Naw, if he was right, a monkey (or something like it) was YOUR uncle.

That explains a whole lot. The leaders in that "group" have been so isolated from the world, that they need a CLASS to see reality.

"If you know me and care about me.." Kind of gives him a "select" audience. We're not anonymous here; here we are a few hundred that were part of the same abusive cult that he was. Perhaps that's all he needs to know. No, not anonymous, entirely. I think he's afraid to step out of his little box, as far as his religion is concerned.

Rascal, perhaps there is a C. here: C. He is deathly afraid to openly debate his theology, because deep down, he knows it just isn't at all points true. For the playing field to be even, his opponents must agree with what he believes, at least fundamentally.

Groucho, more like "Spiders in Tights International" They could do a stage production, and REALLY show those debils what for..

I did not intimate that. It was a mild (and apparently vain) attempt at a little humor, "Getting donations will be like trying to pull teeth". :)

Sprawled out, you ruined me for the day, this "trial" is playing like a movie in my head.. good thing I got my homework done this morning..

They'd have to subpoena the said spider, or at least get a sworn affidavit. "Now raise your right hands. do you swear.." Defense: "I object. Your honor, Spiders can't swear, they don't have hands.."

It probably won't go that far, but.. honest to God, I hope they get a JURY trial..