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Very interesting. And it makes more sense than what I learned in der vey. Just a thought.. Corinthians is supposed to be a reproof epistle.. I wonder why they had to be told that "prophecy" was to edify, exhort, comfort.. I wonder if they even then were mutating prophecy into some kind of intrusive "conditional" "personal prophecy" kind of concept.

At the risk of being booed by country western lovers.. Doesn't it sound like some old CW, "my wife left with my huntin dog, but not before the dog bit me, my truck broke down, life's just awwwwwfull" Maybe some of those guys have a future, if they can put some song to those lyrics..

That's just wonderful. But are the tents air conditioned too? I did see one tent at the ROA with an air conditioner once..

Yeah.. but one can dream, can't one? Just makes me wonder though.. so many words, so many "prophecies"- how many of them would be spoken, if the speaker's life depended on whether it was genuine or not. No "practice sessions" till I get it right.. No excuses. "Now, if you'd just put down those rocks, and read my book first.."

So few that can handle the "power".. and I can count them easily on one hand. They had "safeguards" in old testament times, but I think we'd get in *slightly* a little trouble implementing them here..

"Prophet" 1. A spokesman for Gawd A nice guy A hard man to live with.

Yeah. I think when answers to honest questions are anticipated with the response "if you disagree with me, read my book".. it's PRACTICALLY a lost cause. "I'm right, you're wrong, because discounting prophecy as false IN ITSELF is unbiblical.." More posturing.. "I'm da man, listen to me.." I didn't close the door. To say that the "critics" who disagree with him are discounting prophecy as false in itself is an unwarranted assumption. I don't discount prophecy in itself, but 99.9 % of the ones I've heard, I would say were made up in the imagination of the one giving them. Say the right catch-phrases, maybe quote a few verses of scripture, and everything is OK. Or is it? MY bible has a few things to say about "da man" that opens his mouth, and says "The Lord Sayeth", when the Lord has NOT spoken.

Makes me wonder how she could live with herself. Loyal wayfer to the end, probably didn't have a tinge of guilt. I know of an incident, a fairly well educated person, higher up in social services office, and higher up in the "ministry" in this area.. caused some REAL problems for an ex-wayer, who really needed some help. Since it's not my personal story, all I'll say is the person did some real unethical and harmful crap. I think "these kind" of people live for those kind of moments.. to mete what they consider God's vengeance on humanity, or something like that.. They seem to enjoy their "job" too well.

I have things stuck in my brain too. I have thought of capitalizing on it, and using the material as a stand up comic. Unfortunately, the only people who would understand it would be ex-cultist.

Hmmmm. If I had a son, I was going to name him Bill. Figured people would chase down to pay at least one of the members in the family here..

"That da ministry be not blamed" 1. An obscure, partial quote invoked to plow under a multitude of blatant indescretions, often illegal, of the mog. 2. Lying, maneurvering, doing whatever is necessary to keep people from fleeing for their lives from "da ministry that taught them da word".

Amazing how such a "spiritual" organization can bring out the most hateful, harmful carnality in people.

I dunno. It seems like a scene out of Hotel California. The beast is properly dispatched, but it's only playing dead.. Or like a perpeptual Groundhog Day, you get up every morning, and there it is again.. been beaten, stabbed, run over by a truck.. and every morning it comes back.. Careful there Socks, I think I saw it blink..

I think der vey THINKS they are the antithesis of the illuminati. They have ascribed to almost every half-baked conspiratorial theory that has a remote amount of plausibility. Supposedly, they saved us from the destruction of the constitution in the 1970's, then they supposedly saved us from another takeover, then they saved us from Y2K meltdown, by taking the right precautions.. I've heard claims how they saved us from famines and pestilence, "standing in the gap for da people". Mostly the "deliverance" is in terms of what DOESN'T happen. "Joe Schmoe, because he was faithful and abundantly shared, did NOT perish in a hurricane, unlike other greasespots.." I think the vey has to justify its existence, at least in the eyes of its followers. They hold up the illuminati, famines or pestilences as some kind of boogey man that only a VERY small, half baked, unimportant cult in podunk ohio can properly dispatch. The longer I have been out, the more ludicrous it appears..

Yeah.. I wouldn't be happy with TWI "writers" giving some kind of historic revision of my life either. Or slandered, like I lot of folks have had done to them. I wouldn't consider writing some articles for der veq mag hardly looking good on a resume.. no less an obituary. So.. what do I want on my tombstone? I'll take some ham, mushrooms, pepperoni.. Might be all I can get..

Here are the results of a similar kind of "training". The only difference I see, they are "secular", and momentus has a fine religious veneer. I wonder if CES really knows what they are messing with.. http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000781.html

Here is a little bit about the parent organization: from http://www.rickross.com/reference/lifespri...ifespring7.html No wonder they DEMAND you hold them harmless.

I think twi got our attention when we still believed in Santa Claus. Somehow portrayed God as some kind of Santa Claus machine, push the right buttons, and whatever you heart desires pops out the slot on the other side.

I wonder if the thin veneer of christian terms is an attempt to isolate the organization from attack by citing first amendment issues.. Double protected.. get through the hold harmless agreement, they can always claim they are practicing a religion..

Forgot all about those.. they were real whoppers.. All claims were validated by non-fulfillment. I've seen very intelligent people taken in by these claims.

I was looking at one of the websites.. these guys don't give up. The guys that run the thing argue something to the effect of, "well, you weren't part of the "training", so you don't have the right to say anything". Is that so? Do I need to drink cyanide before I am "privileged" enough to know it is poison? I do have some chemistry background, and that does qualify me to comment, without drinking it first. They even suggested to their critics, "take the training.. go see for yourself" Some already did.. some of the former "customers" are among the worst critics.. A potential critic would have to sign the hold harmless waiver. Hmmm, wonder what kind of "treatment" they'd get.. No sign? Well, maybe you're not willing to *trust* your "trainers".. Sign mine first. I'll bring a few "associates" along with me, if you don't mind..

Yep.. sketchy, at best.. Looks like a recipe for disaster- take people who by their own admission are not up to the par of professional psychologists, add a hold harmless agreement, and some "willing" victims.. bake for 3 days on high.. sheesh. Some of the good guys around here, that have been through that pressure cooker- I highly doubt they were the ones to vote death their team mates in the lifeboat exercise. To me, it looks more like an exercise in obnoxiousness and arrogance for those who were so inclined to begin with. Just remove the rest of the "restraints"..

That's why I put it in a PM.. I wasn't sure. :) Carry on..

I don't look for devils under the rocks anymore. I've found a couple of cults and con-men under them.. maybe it's the same thing "ham carefully replaces the rock, slowly backs away..."

Yep.. they had to invent a need. One of the favorites was the "devils under every rock" routine. Never mind what THEY were doing, look at da debil.. don't want to get jumped? *We* can fix that little "problem"..