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Just so much office politics, office "games" with a very thin christian veneer. The "commercial" version of their precious seminar teaches people how to REALLY play the game, no holds barred. Put people in a "lifeboat", and decide who's staying.. must be as much "fun" as watching two cats tied together, hung over a clothes line.

burying the wrong guy... heheheh.

The idea that J.L., M.G., et al NEEDED a good head knocking says a lot. Maybe they need to go back a couple times for some "retraining" if it is all so great.. Put all three and minions in the "lifeboat" exercise.. Or maybe that is what they just did. Ah, who to throw out.. I wonder if the board will now require the signing of a hold harmless agreement as a requirement to hold office in that place.. that would take care of those pesky lawsuits. With all the confrontations, maneuvering, tossing out of the boat.. to me, it looks like they took the momentus book and made "momentus, da movie"..

I have actually seen this once.. minus the snowstorm

I can live with that.. I just wish they didn't recommend it for the rest of us who don't need it. Why don't they do what they did in the old days, go off and join the French Foreign Legion or something..

That one gets my vote. Not to be crass, or mean or anything.. but it reminds me of some kids I knew in my youth who huffed a little too much glue- they just weren't all there..

Trouble is, once it's rolling, it's hard to stop.. let's see, where'd I leave off.. ah. ".. to guide and to comfort me. Lo, though I recline in satin, cotton, or cheap polyester, Thou wilt bring comfort and plump softness to my head, all the days of my life..."

"Oooooooh, Mighty Pillow, guide me through the good times, the bad times,.. yea, though I pass through the valley of orthopedic discomfort, thou art with me..."

Literally. I said, "you're not giving yourself just a LITTLE too much credit here, are you?" As far as Lynn/Graeser/Schoenheit and company are concerned- I think the little seminar was one of the important stepping stones along The Way that helped remove the final barriers or limitations between them and their delusions of Moghood..

I've seen what the "commercial" version of this kind of thing does to people.. my boss came back from one of these things a few years ago, the poor b*s*ard thought he was God..

No, I haven't taken it.. and I won't. I've seen what it does to other people. Lynn, Graeser, et. al make the perfect momentus "poster child". The perfect "witnesses" to the merits of momentus. My opinion, the experience took an already pompus, arrogant know-it-all personality and removed the rest of the restraints. "anybody who's anybody" in the organization has taken this seminar. It's the "secret handshake".. the "mark of maturity".. Read the threads here.. look at what the inner core of CES has done and is doing. They are ALL momentus grads. No thanks, not for me. No thanks- I'll save time and money and beat my own pillow, on my own terms.. Honestly, I'm pompous, egotistical enough as it is. I don't REALLY need any more "help" :)

No, I didn't get it "backwards" I really meant- old wine, new skins.

I dunno.. I think there is a distinction between concentrated effort and grunting one's way to "success". Honestly, any screaming, or beating the pillow I've done hasn't done me any good in life.. didn't make me feel any better either. Didn't provide solutions.. at least I didn't pay somebody cashola for THAT particular lesson. Just seems to me, if you find your own path, the rest is easy. Like the butterfly. Someone may SAY that it is hard, that it's experience isn't enjoyable, but how do you know? Maybe he's having the time of his life. Sheesh.. butterflies don't need a lamaze partner or something, "breath, breath, breath, now pushhhhhhhh..." In a lot of ways, I think the momentus experience is like trying to put old wine in new wine skins. The old wine might be "awesome", but maybe a person oughta try something "new"..

Now Exie, lets be fair. Only if he is picking his nose with his big toe, going 80 miles and hour, and in a snowstorm.

In fifty years of life, I have never, ever ever seen a butterfly beat a pillow.. I think it is a myth, that change has to be uncomfortable. "some change implies lack of comfort" is not equivalent to "I suffered discomfort, therefore I experienced change".

Hmm. Maybe they started seeing debils under shoelaces. Saw them everywhere else..

Welcome, another spot! Yes, I think that was the thought, couldn't learn anything new on your own. I remember the advanced class teaching took it further- only way you could learn anything "new" would have to be by revelation. That's kinda narrow minded, in my opinion. People asked Einstein what made him so "special".. his answer was something like most of it was hard work..

That is a good point. Einstein and a few others stepped beyond a few assumptions that their predecessors held to. Before Einstein and a few others, they thought they knew everything there was to be known about physics, that they only needed to polish it up a little bit.

I'm not arguing the validity of the concept.. it's just, I think it was used to replace one set of limitations with another. One set of assumptions for another.

Very slippery. Seems every (?) religion shares this core belief of sorts.. speak "THE WORDS" with the right kind of mind set or motivation, and the heavens and the foundation of the earth is supposed to shake.. Those who dabble in practical kabbalism make the same claim.

Yeah, but with Kesey, if you were "off the bus" that generally meant you ended up in a psychiatric ward somewhere.. well, the similarity is striking..

Yeah.. we could claim it is all for the public good. Just trying to save the sports world from bad manners, ankle wounds, AND rabies, all at the same time. sorry Socks.. heheh. carry on..

I'm somewhere in the middle. While I think I can be anything I want to be, I tend to try to be something that doesn't cause too much harm in life in the process.

Maybe they should issue a "booing license", affirming with reasonable certaintly, that said person won't go mad, run out on the gym floor, and bite the ref by the ankle.. Get a paper signed off by a psychologist, a therapist, and half a dozen personal references. That oughta make some money, for somebody..

Another murky thought on a Thursday morning.. "You can't go beyond what you are taught". The "teacher" boldly declared this little bit of supposedly self apparent wisdom, and then came: how you are supposed to think, how you are supposed to read, what you are supposed to say. I won't argue the validity of any specific concept here, but: 1. We were taught to approach the bible, as originally given, as being God-breathed, and as such "perfect". 2. We were taught to change OUR THINKING such that it agrees with the bible. No room for thought, no room for opinion. Doesn't that simply replace one intellectual straight jacket for another, one more frame of mind that a person can't "go beyond"?