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Ah, the last one. "We KNOW you're REALLY SCREWED UP. You had just better come clean and tell us what it is.." Something happened at that moment, I finally realized that they were crazier than loons. "hmm. Well, I'll think about it, and get back with you.." It had to have been an inspired utterance or something because the color left his face, and he said: "duhhhh, ooooo kayyyy, maybe that's a good idea.... duhhhhhhm." So, Mr. "I never mix my bread and vegetables" simply let me walk off with no further argument, the light having finally gone on in my brain.. I never returned. This is literally how it went. Considering the result, I don't think I could have done any better. Yep.. his claim to fame, said he no gastrointestinal (he couldn't use that big of a word though) troubles, because he didn't mix bread and vegetables. There's more, but I think it's the wrong thread for that..

Freud might say that they spanked him a lot because he was being rather rebellious when he was being potty trained..

Yep. And when the lord returns, he's gonna call the Pope from New Knoxville and box his ears, verifying this "scintillating" bit of detail. Ah, the dreams and aspirations of a half-baked yokel..

Back then, I thought they transcribed it all on clay tablets..

I think that is indeed one of the true "keys" to research, that was shunned like the plague in der ministry. I always wondered about the quotations of the bible, where the bible quotes itself. I forget the exact statistics, but about ninety nine percent of the time, the quotes are not an exact copy, or anything even near it. Rarely does the new context fit with the old one the quote was taken from. I read Bullinger about Gnome. He talked about the words of David about Ahitophel. Peter comes along "by inspiration" and says forget the context, it was really about Judas. Who was right? Or is there a "right" and a "wrong" in understanding all the details? I don't think so today. Words are added, changed, shuffled around. Forget the details, context is abandoned. Cardinal sins, by the "standards" of PFAL. You'd think God would take more due diligence to details when he read the bible.. I remember in the class ole doc criticizing sunday school teachers. He was practically foaming at the mouth over somebody saying "this is what I think it means". "You don't think, you read.." "You read WHAT'S WRITTEN, and YOU STAY PUT." "I don't care what YOU, or anyone else THINKS". I believe that you can get so caught up in the details, that no thinking is necessary.

I don't know how much owning a gun would do for me.. I honestly don't think I could pull the damn trigger. I could probably beat the snot out of the guy before he assaulted my class mates if I had to. The only thing I wish, I sincerely wish people would not use some disaster like this to make some kind of political statement. On either side.

Well, sometimes, my mind is well, there..

and generally,, light chooses the angle of refraction which minimizes the amount of time for it to reach point B after leaving point A. Well, if it travels through two mediums, anyway..

100 for me. Think there's an opening in a group for resarch?

Yeah, nice lady. I hope she is still as nice as I remember her. I hope they didn't beat the joy out of her.

hmm. Now I know the true "benefits" of corps night If "they" only knew, hehehe.

A friend of mine.. "The cat owns the house. She simply allows us to live here.."

forty years is kinda a stretch of the imagination.. I dunno. I think the clock is slowly advancing toward midnight. Think they'll turn into greasespots?

The sad thing, is that it works because the abusee thinks that the relationship is worth it. I think that is part of the conditioning, believing an illusion. No relationship is worth the price of abuse. I think this kind of conditioning burned out some people's brain cells. To this day, some can not admit that vic could do wrong, or think "well, it wasn't so bad.." "so what if a few got raped.." vic was the master of this. Go from slobbering and crying, to screaming at the drop of a hat. sounds like one of the last sunday night services I attended.. After reading all of this, and noting that loy was a psychology major, a lot of what I experienced in der vey kinda makes sense. I think he knew exactly what he was doing..

The only thing I would add to this:They sometimes also stay in relationships that they PERCEIVE as being abusive. Whether the abuse is there or not, the effect is the same, and that in itself isn't exactly healthy. I think a lot of the problem is the belief system itself, that if you made an agreement, you have to keep it right or wrong. That was certainly drummed into us, "If thou vowest a vow.." you stay with it until you're dead if need be. I think deliberate abuse of any kind invalidates the agreement. The troubling part of this is so much of it is cultural, generations of learned behavior. Some people think it is "normal". It is a trap, and I've seen some people literally wear themselves out emotionally and physically trying to keep up with the pace. I think that a lot of people were not consciously aware of the demands, and now find it increasingly difficult to maintain them, along with the increasing demands of society and work. Something has to give somewhere.. I think this is clearly where it crosses the line. I think this is perhaps the most damaging form of abuse, where a person forms an association between abuse and "niceness". They've learned not to reach out to a hand offering real help. In psychological terms, this is an element of operant conditioning. This was the mark of "leadership". They wouldn't admit it even if you had their tit in a vise.. "You are being influenced by da DEBIL.." Same use of operant conditioning.

Then he could do some famous teaching. "lessee, lessee.. loy is a hemmorroid on the, on the, uhhh, hmmm, something of life.." thanks Ala. hmm. six "let him eat sulfur", eight "other". I think the guy in the red suit tossed him back.. probably has enough hemmorroids as it is..

Yeah. I think for some, it is nearly impossible to re evaluate, with any different tools. Their identity is entirely dependent upon the beliefs learned in der vey. Loss of what they view as the standard equals loss of themselves, loss of their ego, loss of control. Or the illusion of it. Or even the perceived loss of reality itself. At one point, everybody has to let go.

Some people call it circular reasoning. There is only one way off the merry go round, at least that I know of.. admit that there may be at least a possibility that a person is wrong. My thought is that if you re-evaluate what you supposedly believe with the same set of tools you used the first time, it really is a fruitless exercise.

and lest we forget "never stop taking your medication". unless: the medication is an antidepressant. We all just KNOW that people should be able to fix that little "weakness" in the mind with da verd.. besides, you really oughten not to be possessed around here.. or the "leader" was just too damn nosey. I've heard them inquire into people's supposed health and welfare, and sarcastically ask, "why are you taking THAT?" ahem, well, maybe because the doc thought it might get me better or something. I've seen people not be able to take a stinking aspirin in peace. Seems any GOOD doctrine or thought was violated like there was no tomorrow.

as Rosada the Hutt, sleeping in the heat of day in her royal chamber, is awakened. "you MUST listen to the Okie, your royalarseness.." "Jean, you weak and cowardly fool, I told you not to admit him, and to cower only to my royal greatness. He's using a half baked Okie mind trick.." loy Tightpantswalker speaks: "You must step aside, your royal fatness. The farce is strong with me.."

Maybe we could hire this guy to follow him around, I'm sure loy wouldn't notice. Probably have to buy his contract from George Lucas..

so you guys dressed up in tuxedos for a "banquet" that ended up being no better than a meal at McDonalds. At least that is what it looks like. at least that's my impression. Those outside the fold so to speak, had the impression that you guys were being doled out the secrets of the universe on a silver platter..

I remember when I got in der vey- MOST people were sooooo health conscious, eating natural foods, trying to adopt natural methods for health care, shunning "unnatural" types of things.. at least in the early seventies. How in the world did we adopt a doctrine that allowed such an UNNATURAL concept? It is cold, "logical", and so sterile.. Just thinking.

vic and loy.. hmmmph. I think their character and "compassion" came right out of a dark character in a Hemmingway story.. sheesh.

I think the most adamant critics of abortion are those who have endured one, or have had to pick up the pieces of people's lives after the fact. Der Gulag had a real simple "solution"- mark somebody with "issues" as devil possessed and simply throw them to the curb. you didn't have the luxury to even properly mourn the death of a spouse or loved one before somebody was in your business, telling you how you oughta just get over it. Zero tolerance policy.. in only you'd just "renew" da mind. vic and loy didn't have to pick up the pieces. To them, abortion was just a "little" thing. I still think they oughta be women in the next life.. if there is such a thing.