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but technically it is, because of the first post on the thread- "death as we [think] we know it.. maybe we need some refinement and redefinition here.. just what do you really MEAN? Death as we know(?) it? I think the first line takes advantage of many, many assumptions..

I had a better kind of death in this life.. 1. Everything I know and believe is just plain wrong. Or could be, or is most likely.. anything I think I know or believe (perhaps outside of pure or applied mathematics), Is at the best unprovable- in no way can I prove to another human creature (or any other species for that matter..) 2. *you* are not superior to me..

I dunno.. that is certainly a different kind of death, isn't it.. cowardice.. and in a strictly *religious* sense.. isn't that the result of kowtowing to anther's beliefs and spiritual authority?

ahhhhhhhh ha! That was what the vicster said, parroting Bullinger, etc, etc.. death as we KNOW IT- shouldn't that be death as we THINK IT IS? or maybe as some more affirmatively claim.. as we KNOW it HAS TO BE? But in reality- isn't it death as we delude ourselves as to what it is.. death as to what we may pretend, or even jokingly mock as to what it is.. or death as to what.. death as to what the religious leaders of the day say that it is.. or our friends say.. or those who want to hold us captive by convincing us (me) of the unseen flames lying on the other side of the veil..

All of this is based on the assumption that the dead (those who passed from this current life) are not alive somewhere.. some of us have the impression that we have been alive, and "died", many, many times. So then, I may have had a first, a second, a third, a fourth.. and so on, deaths.. I remember (or have an impression of, which you may label it true, false, slightly nutty, insane, or reasonable, as you wish) three deaths rather vividly. This IS doctrinal, after all, isn't it?

Nice old ladies.. they would get my vote, only if they would really run for office..

I'm in love with nice old ladies. maybe it's always been in love with.. or.. just plain appreciate.. these old ladies.. you can't accuse them of not knowing how to play music in a concert..

Why can't free vocalization be a genuine spiritual experience? It's just not limited to the christian culture.. even logically framed, human language kind of vocalization.. isn't this a damned MIRACLE in the big, bad cosmos? maybe only one of the victoids quotes makes maybe half a sense to me.. "human behavior is spiritual.." but he probably stole that from some source somewhere as well as most of the rest of his material..

I really come here, seeking friendship. But that is way too much to ask for..

if you don't mind me adding something so esoteric. The Seventh Doctor died listening to Puccini.. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Giacomo_Puccini where does one find index file? Of course, one looks it up in the index file, under index file..

I always liked Zepplins's version.. but I never saw where they could take this song on the road.. these two nice old ladies really made it rock.. I didn't know they liked Zepplin.. now I know.. They stole the vocals from Plant. to the extent he really isn't needed.. Too bad Page hasn't considered playing with them..

Hotter than Zepplin.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcge3FoRM4Y&feature=related

is that his real hair (rightly divided) or something.. it does not look the same color as the hair on the sides.. in fact it looks like a pair of wings..

-Christ.. what are you going to do.. surely some other inhabitants of the cafe have beholden similar circumstances.. Her maj, she's a pretty nice girl, but she changes from day to day.. with the Maj you have to tell her a lot, even with a belly full of wine.. I've already jumped out of a few, in more ways than you could imagine, Even without drunkenly slurred words.. heh..

Asides from mathematics, if someone followed my detestable religion, I'd start jumping out of windows, to prove it was wrong.. the Creator have mercy on my soul.. heh and if that didn't work, I'd find a few more windows, more highly placed, to jump out of..

Snake Oil will only produce the desired result as long as there is no greasy price tag attached.. once you cross the line.. one of my greatest friends described it in a different context.. selling kaballa.. it is expressly Forbidden. With a capital 'F'.. it refuses to sell itself.. you cannot sell spirituality.. at any cost.. to do so is with the best interpretation I can come up with.. is Damnation.. Sorry for the weirdness. I hope it makes sense to somebody here..

that's cool.. so.. and this applies across many venues that I have observed.. whatever "it" is, works as long as their is no real, outside pressure.. There have been times.. I could read others minds.. but put it on a schedule, with a paycheck, and whatever "it" is will evaporate..

How are you and your children today? I could answer that question as well..for me and my children far better off.. but still.. for a brief moment, I saw everything in God's creation melt into the light..

the way I'm reading Shannon.. people generally make colored noise, and the color of the noise depends on how many other humans are talking at the same time..

Shannon and three kilohertz.. this is kind of cool. When the alcohol wears off, I will look a little more closely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theorem shannon was researching what kind of bandwidth was needed to accurately communicate data in a dirty channel.. that is, trying to communicate when everybody else could not STFU. In other words, a noisy channel.. the amount of talking increases bandwidth, to begin with.. add to that the interference due to a lot of other of us talking at the same time.. if the noise is cyclic, it is easy to punch out.. if it is random, the rules change.. the more voices you add to the channel, the more they tends to follow some chotic order.. less open spaces to express themselves.. makes sense to me.

I could panic as well.. you may or may not want to know the details. My form of "panic" would involve not unemployment, but under, under, under employment. Something along the lines of involuntary servitude.. if that's what *they* think I am only worthy of.. my qualifications DEMAND.. at least four times the wages.. along with medical benefits, retirement benefits.. but I find myself not being able to pay for what I invested for the "privilege" to work. Employed? Yes. But I may end up living in a cardboard box during the last few years of my labor.. Panic? no.. it will do no good. But I still often wake up suddenly in the night.. things could be worse. I just can't figure out how at this point.. If I had any children under my care at the moment, now yes. This would be the time to panic..

perhaps.. but unlike vic, newton was brilliant, if but for a brief moment.. he stood on the shoulder of giants.. and saw a little further. He didn't plagiarize and claim that the Shoulders of the World were his vewy own.. sowy Raf. I'm on the second tall beer. Just back from the store.. Hawkings is cool.. on about page three he is willing to make fun of the human perception of the universe.. asks the question, why our model is fundamentally better than the one (or ones) before.. we just have a better magnifying lens today.. off topic, I know.. but I don't think there is even a topic anywhere else in GS that this fits.. but isn't the twi interpretation of tongues a mere MODEL of something, that sometime, somewhere, in a galaxy, far far away, may have made sense to somebody, once, long ago..

I dunno.. maybe I'll get started on Newton tonight.. did you know his successor did not have good words for him? Hawkings said that newton "was not a pleasant man".. and it was an under-statement..

Raf, I hope your life is not flashing before your eyes.. your thread rapidly disintegrating.. I'll BRB. Need to take a trip to the store. It is only two blocks away.

only if I walk to the store, purchase another said beer, or two, and consume them. I am only at the cusp.