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*elevator music playing* *door closing, in five seconds.* "ah, pluck the duck.."

I was wondering.. I mean, 71 pages? how long before someone declared some kind of impasse.. Raf.. how is it you can start a topic, and get 71 pages of responses.. I start one, and get less than a dozen responses, and generally less than three pages? I'm jealous.. well, no, not jealous. Something HAD to get you on the trail here.. I had close to something like that happen in a political science class.. once, long ago.. before the u.s. citizens really had a REASON to worry about trade with China.. "well. we can't afford the blue ray thingy.. the cheap computer, etc.. except at wal*mart.." that was their response.. forget unbridled pollution of a foreign land.. decimation of competition on a global scale.. my answer- don't BUY the damned thing. you really don't have a logical or legitimate *need* to view old stinking movies in super high definition..

They can all be formed with two pieces of currency, no less.

Of course not.. The offsprings of twi continue this.. *we* are *priviledged* * "to know* there were not just two, but.. two other malefactors + thieves to share his same fate.. which supposedly equal four. personally.. I'm not in this category. I'm an innocent bystander.. a publican (on the government payroll) and a sinner..

maybe we only disagree as regards to semantics.. one is a spiritual interpretation.. the other is an honest interpretation.. why can't they both be the same..

Math is cool. In a couple of cases.. I've been able to know that I know.. something, abstract. Abstract is a generalization of reality.. something real.. Abstract knowledge extends your horizons..

That was not exactly a product that I REALLY asked for.. or wanted.. or needed. but somehow, in the process of looking for "family" that is what was shoved down my throat.. the "answer" of certainty was never satisfying..

So many pages.. I think modern sit + interpretation is nothing more than a training ground for false prophets..

Any further news on *mr* geer? Just wonder..

If you don't mind me saying.. it sounds like a lot of "new age" hokeypokism.. I'm sorry that I am so damned rude.. please ignore me, friends..

:) I've done that a few times..

So succinct.. the whole problem, is that it does not exactly come around.. it's like the spiral of Archimedes.. it's like, the next time it comes around, it is so far "out there" that you might have great difficulty recognizing it..

I have a few (wildly unprovable, and mostly unbelievable) thoughts.. 1. we don't die.. we (quickly) transition to another existence. Bouncing about, from one world, or one universe to the next. I don't know how that works out when you are 112 years old, or something like that.. maybe it is because one agrees to the terms the next time around.. I dunno. We (or I) stay the same, everything else changes.. Maybe, we move about, from one time line, to another.. I'm sorry. Please ignore ignorant, possessed Squirrels. It would be far easier to ignore me than to un-squirrelize the current thread.

but technically it is, because of the first post on the thread- "death as we [think] we know it.. maybe we need some refinement and redefinition here.. just what do you really MEAN? Death as we know(?) it? I think the first line takes advantage of many, many assumptions..

I had a better kind of death in this life.. 1. Everything I know and believe is just plain wrong. Or could be, or is most likely.. anything I think I know or believe (perhaps outside of pure or applied mathematics), Is at the best unprovable- in no way can I prove to another human creature (or any other species for that matter..) 2. *you* are not superior to me..

I dunno.. that is certainly a different kind of death, isn't it.. cowardice.. and in a strictly *religious* sense.. isn't that the result of kowtowing to anther's beliefs and spiritual authority?

ahhhhhhhh ha! That was what the vicster said, parroting Bullinger, etc, etc.. death as we KNOW IT- shouldn't that be death as we THINK IT IS? or maybe as some more affirmatively claim.. as we KNOW it HAS TO BE? But in reality- isn't it death as we delude ourselves as to what it is.. death as to what we may pretend, or even jokingly mock as to what it is.. or death as to what.. death as to what the religious leaders of the day say that it is.. or our friends say.. or those who want to hold us captive by convincing us (me) of the unseen flames lying on the other side of the veil..

All of this is based on the assumption that the dead (those who passed from this current life) are not alive somewhere.. some of us have the impression that we have been alive, and "died", many, many times. So then, I may have had a first, a second, a third, a fourth.. and so on, deaths.. I remember (or have an impression of, which you may label it true, false, slightly nutty, insane, or reasonable, as you wish) three deaths rather vividly. This IS doctrinal, after all, isn't it?

Nice old ladies.. they would get my vote, only if they would really run for office..

I'm in love with nice old ladies. maybe it's always been in love with.. or.. just plain appreciate.. these old ladies.. you can't accuse them of not knowing how to play music in a concert..

Why can't free vocalization be a genuine spiritual experience? It's just not limited to the christian culture.. even logically framed, human language kind of vocalization.. isn't this a damned MIRACLE in the big, bad cosmos? maybe only one of the victoids quotes makes maybe half a sense to me.. "human behavior is spiritual.." but he probably stole that from some source somewhere as well as most of the rest of his material..

I really come here, seeking friendship. But that is way too much to ask for..

if you don't mind me adding something so esoteric. The Seventh Doctor died listening to Puccini.. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Giacomo_Puccini where does one find index file? Of course, one looks it up in the index file, under index file..

I always liked Zepplins's version.. but I never saw where they could take this song on the road.. these two nice old ladies really made it rock.. I didn't know they liked Zepplin.. now I know.. They stole the vocals from Plant. to the extent he really isn't needed.. Too bad Page hasn't considered playing with them..

Hotter than Zepplin.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcge3FoRM4Y&feature=related