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It's almost like the end of Raiders of the lost ark.. couple of lackeys wheeling CES off into a government junkpile somewhere.. "we have or BEST people at work on it.." "who are THEY?" "the BEST people.."

Thanks for your contribution Temple Lady. Did you vote? I dunno. Some people I seem to drive nutso.. even before they know me. Maybe they had too much of me once before..

Sometimes the answer to a person's prayer is not the one they asked for.. Once I prayed for a relationship.. and all the prayer did was enable closure.

Unfortunately, yes. But he is VERY VERY quiet. Only a very few of his followers will speak up for him.. The secret to his success you know.. Interesting that the arrogance of twi isn't very functional outside of it's own walls..

I dunno.. those sycophants have been living off of the resources of other people for sooooo long.. and it's not just money, it's love, adulation.. even worship.. I think the answer is well beyond prayer.. I really think it's like the days of Jezebel and Jehu.. a couple eunuchs hanging around.. "who's on the lord's side.. throw her down.." he didn't request them to pray for her.. well, who knows.. I still don't see the rejoicing news of the brand pulled out of the fire here. Ironically enough, it's JL who actually seems to have done SOMETHING and gotten a life so to speak.. and it's not about the bible, or being a moglet- I'm thinking of his college test preparation readiness thingy. Which doesn't make sense to me.. why appear here "on behalf of" the organization? I think the record in Kings is significant and applicable here. The error of Jezebel also concerned "prophecy".

I think it was the trickle down mogness effect. But always remember, the cheese stands alone!

I think a person can now edit their profile statement..

If you can HONESTLY acknowledge plagiarism, and inquire where the leader REALLY got his "doctorate" degree from..

If you.. refer to four (or more) years of "training for christian service" as volunteer church work..

The visiting mogster is on his own, let em rent a car, or take a taxi from the airport..

Set up protocol is also on the menu here. Among other items: NOTHING is to be held down with duct tape. Never, for ANY reason. I remember a tri-state limb meeting, and the audio service to the stage was a single conglomerate of wires, referred to as a snake.. I think. This thing had the weight and consistency of a large iron chain. It just laid there.. just screaming out for miles of duct tape, but the hotel forbad any kind of tape to be used on the carpet. The guy in charge of setup was going into withdrawl.. "we'll even use super high tech fifty dollar a roll tape, won't leave anything behind.." nope. NO greeters to direct parking with a class of five new students..

Not a blanket statement, but what a lot of mog types don't realize.. and some can't come to grips with, is the name tag usually doesn't necessarily accompany them outside of the organization. Interesting what happens here at GSC when they try to smuggle it out with them..

Well.. if it did manage to slip under their spiritual "radar".. at least they'd never put me in charge of "refreshments". Ever again.. Hmm. Maybe that's why they guarded those meeting rooms like Fort Knox.. the fear.. that the mogness might get the classical pie in the face..

I think a lot of it depends on a person's character. Only a godly or righteous person would not intentionally use liberty as a license, or excuse for sin. He who is righteous practices righteousness. Hmm.. the law wasn't made for the righteous, was it?

Ah, what a world of opposites we live in.. I had "proper" protocol drilled into my head so much.. that I find myself wishing to do or actually doing the opposite. It seems that a lot of ex higher-up's in the organization get the same kind of reception here, and wonder what hit them.. Maybe what I was thinking on the other threads may get more mileage here. The big "rev" enters the room. I just can't bring myself to use that word.. "hello rrr, um, reeee, um.. rrrreeee.." Just can't give the sycophants that kind of respect anymore.. maybe der vey ruined me.. I really did sit down a couple of times, when his "greatness" entered the room, on purpose. "They" don't want me in charge of the little details.. instead of mints, I really would put carefully cut sections of Alka Seltzer in the little dish behind the podium... not pure white vinegar, but maybe diluted somewhat.. after frothing and spitting out vinegar water, the visiting mogness would wonder what kind of "fellowship" he was really invited to.. I wouldn't have anybody sitting in the first row.. Now that's over.. what would people here do, or have done? I wonder if anybody else has ever felt the same.. Any suggestions for "anti-protocol" are welcome.

I think.. I don't know if I would call it harm, but my kids are finding that I really am quite different without the religious veneer I wore in der ministry. In a way, I was doing the best I knew to do at the time. I can only hope they don't or won't think I'm some kind of hypocrite.

That always sounded kinda "funny" to me.. I didn't know ears had balls..

and have not a single chair facing the same directionas another. Not a stinking one..

You know you are out of a cult if.. Can't call anybody reverand before slapping them silly, a couple of times.. Put salt tablets in the bowl behind the podium in the little dish, instead of mints.. Or alka-seltzer.. and white vinegar in the cup, instead of water.. sit down quickly, when the mogness enters the room.. let him (or her) ride a stinking taxi from the airport.. make a habit of showing up five, or even ten minutes late ..

I'm not suprised you beat me to this Groucho.. Reminds me of the older "Inlaws"movie, had Alan Arkin and Peter Faulk.. Peter Faulk is explaining to Allen when they meet the dictator "and don't say ANYTHING about the scar.." "what scar".." Just ignore it". When they meet.. "A Z?" you have to see it in the original.. I still have problems with this protocol nonsense.. I've almost gone to the other extreme, and deliberately insult these sycophants.. Now I'd put salt tablets, carefully cut into precise quarters in a crystal tray, for the visiting mogster. I have been know to simply sit down when one of them enters the room.. I can't bring myself to call these jokers "reverand".. just can't.. "You may call me Reverand" "Only after I slap you a couple of times.."

Assuming a whole heck of a lot to begin with.. I think any time somebody invokes power, there is a cost, or a consequence. Nothing in the universe is entirely free. Maybe the real key is to leave as small of a footprint as one can. Maybe needs and wants don't HAVE to be the same.. but I think perhaps they should be. I think the old needs and wants parallel teaching had a different purpose in da ministry. It was often used to justify failure, failure to get "results". It left the fundamental claim that one could believe for practically anything untouched, without blame, and put fault on the one who was praying for next month's rent. It is very easy to find fault and determine what "need" is, in someone else's life. The "law" of believing needed quite a few loopholes for when it apparently did not work.

Yep. Nuts have always been the downfall of man.. "here boy, here boy, go get the pecan.." People are soooo easy..

I didn't get that in der ministry. Maybe some did.. I got an air of "superiority", a sense that I was on the inside of a few secrets.. I was an egotisitcal, arroganct SOB.. and I mistook it for "boldness". when what I practiced did not work, I could blame the devil for fighting my efforts.. when things seemingly worked, I had a dogma that I could give the glory to. No matter what happened, I was "right". There were lots more like me..

Arrogance.. "we're PREVAILING.." kinda like when Jezebel was cornered, "I'm the master here, and it'll go a lot better for you, if you do business with ME.." That's what the words she used implied. Yep.. prevailing, an annoyance all the way to the end..

Ya know.. those who "grew up" and went beyond what the vicster presented, were KICKED OUT. Yeah.. the GMIR guys.. who's left? Walter's been gone for years.. he was one of the few with a brain in the organization. I really think he would have taken the organization in a more responable, legitimate direction..