Ham

The idea that "we don't think, we read what's written" may sound noble, godly.. but I think it is another one of the one-liners that passed into vey vocabulary, because so many of us refused to think.. just a dry reading of almost ANYTHING, without understanding it in one's owns terms, is really kinda fruitless most of the time.

The real strength of literature, is based upon what the reader brings to it.. it's true basically for everything, math, science, fiction..

My thoughts about Mark going to school there.. correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was for a legitimate master's degree.. I think he saw that they needed some outside help. Maybe he thought that if he was gonna be superman.. and it would just about take that to bring any real legitimacy to the organization.. that he'd better learn HOW to be superman.. still, the prophecy thingy and the adamancy of now wife in that regard, makes me think he has/had a few internal conflicts. From what I've read here, on top of the organization, it wouldn't suprise me if a person felt like they were in a room full of Chihuauas prophesying at one's heels..

Happy Birthday Oak! Hopefully you can have your cake, and eat it too.. :)

They have that place locked up so tight that it can't pass gas. In the event you gave the keyboard person a good name, you'd probably have to recite the correct secret squirrel security code to get through..

Actually, there was another time that they hope they won't have to repeat.. At least one lawyer had the chance to confront a few of them in a deposition duing the A**en proceedings against der vey... and with the answers they gave, the judge deemed the case against them to be worthy of being placed before a jury. New folks appear to arriving here every day.. recent departures.. it appears that all the "old" people "with an ax to grind" simply dying off won't fix their little "problems" either..

Sometimes my song is a little off key.. Well, people are nice here, they usually take the good with the bad.. :)

I suppose if a person could pole vault over the "barb wire fence" into the "compound".. I'd do it, but Linder already has enough to do, running people out of the cemetary, and dispatching unwanted pets.. hmm. Maybe a phone call will do.. "der vey inter nationall.." "connect me to rosie please" "your name, sir?" "ham." "ham, ham, lessee.. let me check da list. Ah. Well, mr. ham, rosie is not in today. would you like to leave a message.." All I can say.. confront them? Personally? You've got to be kidding.. they are HIDING from confrontation.. perhaps this little "den of iniquity" is a constant reminder that the "problems" just aren't going to go away, by themselves. about the only one I ever knew who actually had the chance was a then staffer who only got an"ahhhm sorry I hurt your feelins.." then more of the same manipulation..

I think it does. The American Indian beliefs ascribe the Grandmother to the spirit of the earth. It may be pretty subjective, but it makes sense to me. :) What the hell.. I've already shot any kind of reputation I possibly may have here.. :) last couple of days.. I've had the impression of souls leaving this place, not reincarnating as what may be the usual course of nature.. Like they are leaving like there's no tomorrow.. what's going on with this planet.. I don't have a clue.. I think it's gonna be a lot smaller than what it is.. This must make some sense to someone else other than me.. either that, or I have a rather over active imagination.. *ham leaves the building, really mumbling to himself, his tin foil hat intact, but ineffectual to the forces of da debil..* sheesh.. this must make some sense for somebody.. at least I HAVE an imagination.

The only thing I would ask.. is it unconditional love, like they may claim, or a mere second rate substitute.. will they love you for who you are, or will they drop you like a hot rock if you can't "perform.. Just a thought.

I would not either, glimpse that is.. I don't see the whole world beating a path to his door, so to speak.. maybe he can post here.. but I wouldn't hold my breath. I would like to know what he's learned.. dealing with a situation that really is "terminal". I've had to look at that possibility once. How does the concept of mogness apply there.. he's the same as any other human being.. I'd like for one moment these men of "greatness" to just lower the defenses, and really say what they feel..

Perhaps the animal says: "God has created me spiritually, so I will live by my instinct.." Perhaps people are no that much different..

Well .. the law could love, believe it or not. The "righteous requirements" and such.. could subjectively choose to be fulfilled, or not.. look at David.. :)

Hmm. Do you really want to ask that question? I can see part of Mr. Snooty Pans point though.. if you are cooking, especially on an electric burner, the 1/16" stuff doesn't have enough thermal mass to even out the extremely hot and cold spots. Your pancakes will have a dark spot that tends to resemble the shape of the burner. By the time you've bought and worn out a dozen or so sets of the cheap stuff, you have spent enough to get something that will last practically forever..

Well, look at the bright side. You didn't encounter the stinging nettle during attendance at a nudist colony..

I think I know how you feel Roy. There are times I also feel compelled to share some things I've thought of, and the possible conclusions or implications of these thoughts, even if they will appear radically different to beliefs of others. If they help somebody, rejoice. If they find them ludicrous, why not laugh with them? Your comparison to a singer is awesome.. we all have a song, and words. We express them, and some of them may find a place in others. Others words certainly have found a place in me.

Why don't I fit in any one place? Well.. The Pentecostalists would accuse me of being possessed, or a spiritist. the spiritualists would think I'm just nuts.. The conservatives think I'm way too liberal on some stuff.. the liberals would have issues with the thought I voted for George Jr. the first time around.. But I could find a point that I would agree with any of the above, just not the same one.. I think.. if anybody has a REAL "monopoly" on God.. it has to be all of us, collectively..

But that is a valid point. Am I merely writing my own religion? Perhaps. If nothing else really works or makes sense to an individual, why not "roll your own"? Does the thought of not being anchored to a particular philosophy or belief really frighten people? I think so..

Well.. I kind of think of it as a model. It is a strange mixture of some eastern philosphy, mathmatics and some Budhism, plus a few other philosophies. At the moment, the model is about the best fit to the world as I see it. So many different opinions, maybe that's why I don't exactly fit in at any one place.. I can usually can find at least one point where I would agree with anybody..

I have a few other theories about some of this.. "ham's theory of light, and the repulsion of the same kind of forces" For what it's worth.. I think we are beings of light, and were once one entity.. now we're fragmented. We long for the "belonginess" we had, but we also desperately need our individuality. I think existence here is a paradox of sorts.. we need the oneness, yet we also require the individuality to exist in this particular life. So there is a repulsion of sorts.. and the repulsion is slightly greater than the attraction. I think the connection people desperately want, they can't truly have.. not in this life. *so ham goes, wearing his protective tin beanie, muttering to himself as he goes..* Well, my tin hat is not inferior to anybody elses here..

hmmm. Well.. perhaps some presented themselves as the family of God because they seek the same stability. Maybe some do so to simply gain control or rulership over others. I think most people can realistically compromise in a limited manner, not unconditionally. I think unconditional love is not a realistic expectation from anyone or anything. I think it is more like a business partnership or agreement. The thing with der vey.. the "partnership" quickly became pretty one sided. I labored, and the real "return" from the root became less and less.. more demands and less performance for their part. I think loy's rants about how we OWED them support, was a demand for unconditional love. Something he himself was not willing to return.

Well.. there is a warped form of stability perhaps. But it is NOT unconditional love. It is love, and stability based not on who you are, but what you believe, and what you DO. There are some pretty bold claims of having "agape" kind of love, but in the end, if you disagree, if you don't perform, you're "outta there". It's false advertising.. the "love bombing" as some call it.. "see? we are the same as FAMILY". A lot of claims have been made for the religion, but personally, I've NEVER seen any love outside of a real "earthly" family that can be considered truly unconditional. At best I think it is a second rate substitute.

Yes. My "extended family" now, is a rather casual, professional relationship with various professors, other professional people. Churches, groups that offer stability, "THE answers", and are rather adamant that they are indeed "right".. I just can't go there.. I think the stability of the beliefs is an illusion.. pretty much think that the connection and stability these groups claim to offer is not real. Maybe real.. but over-rated.

Not only would it repel the invasive attacks of debils, the technically savy "never mix my bread and vegetables" type of limb or region coordinator could now use a cell phone, with full assurance that the radio waves will be reflected, eliminating the unreasonable fear that secretly, the cell phone is cooking their brain tissues..

I needed stability. I lost my father when I was fourteen, lost my mother three years later, and my mom had isolated us from some of the other relatives. My brother was as much a basket case as I was, but he was in a little more stable situation. I really needed stability that a group could offer.. twi just happened to be the wrong place to go. The bait was pretty enticing.. promises of success, abundance.. love..