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Viagra? Happy Pill? It's the old blue pill from "the Matrix".. you know.. swallow the red one, you get reality.. swallow the blue one, and you wake up in twig in 1973 or so..

The Indian Nationalists desperately wanted the British out of India.. Gandi offered an argument (my paraphrase of it) "If they indeed DO leave, what are you going to do? Still live like the British? What's the point then of kicking them out, if life is going to go on the same as it was before?" "ahem, well..." :) MOST offshoots espouse twi doctrine, with FEW changes.. I would say a person could walk into one of the meetings tomorrow, and you'd hear tongues with interpretation and prophecy, that sounds remarkably like a message one heard twenty years previously in twi. They may call it a different name, but their classes have a remarkable similarity to pfal. SOME of the offshoots have the same potential for abuse, and feature a head, authoritarian individual, or VERY FEW on a board. So.. we've gotten rid of rosiebark, the loyster, and "he who never mixes his breads and vegetables".. but what has fundamentally changed?

hmm. looks like four out of thirty-six would go back of their own volition.. but three of them would go just to throw old rotten tomatos. one out of thirty six would actually be willing go back.. the results so far are not exactly suprising.

Hey.. that's a thought. We'll have to get together, schedule a meeting. I'll have my lawyers call your lawyers..

I would hope to think that maybe it is just a poor choice of words.. "everybody abuses.." I think it is "everybody hurts somebody, either intentionally or unintentionally, somewhere along the line.." I would define abuse as intentional harm. Battering somebody with words or fists is pretty intentional.

hmm. I think I've seen this before.. *bricks, bricks, you can't have a thread without some bricks..* sowy.. :)

Ah. The Bird Corps is but an auxiliary function of Squirrel Patrol. And we offer classes! Foundational, Intermediate, and Advanced seminars where one learns: The Squirreliest secret in the world today. How to receive nuts from da Squirrel (without getting your hand bit off) Keys of the Squirrel's intrepidation How to re-squirrel the mind. Manifestations of Holy Squirrel.. The Day the Great Squirrel died (got hit by a car..) and more. The advanced seminar deals with advanced topics, such as the usefulness of receiving revelation. Imagaine, in a prevailing manner you can: Really find out where you buried all of those nuts.. Discern the presence or non presence of moving vehicles.. Master the subtle methods of getting into neighbor's bird feeders. So, thow your shoulders back, lift your head high, claim your Squirrelship Rights, and boldly confront the world and in a loud, squeaky,voice proclaim "I'm a SQUIRREL, I'M A SQUIRRELLLLLLL" "And you can be too." *the little men in white smocks in the nice white van cart off yet another successful graduate, saying that it is a BEAUTIFUL place, with lots of trees, and has all the nuts one would ever want..*

Thanks for your reply Roy. I think in a way, we have full power to do with the way as we see fit.:) I quit smoking (tobacco) about twenty or so years ago.. until recent years I would wake up from a dream where I was still smoking.. "what in the *?*#@ am I doing to myself was my first conscious thought..

sounds like some old old married couples I have met.. Bickering.. picking at each other.. "Daggone it Donna, if you'd just hold still, I'll squeeze the boil.." sowwy..

That's about the finest piece of logic I've seen here for a long time.. Same for me. If it was what I thought it was, I wouldn't have been eyeball to eyeball with a madman.

No, they don't condemn anybody on a website, do they.. they just assasinate people's characters in closed meetings and behind their backs.

well.. if they cut five or six holes in the main curtain.. had the directors stick their heads through them.. loy would make a special appearance in the middle hole, of course. Passed out the tomatos.. I'd have to at least consider at least one final Sunday night sevice.. might be entertainment worth the price of gas for an over 250 mile trip..

honestly, the only one that would remotely even tempt me would be choice number seven..

Just wonder..

Good strategy.. Understatement of a lifetime.. :biglaugh:

Hmmm. Well, a half a dozen or so, and I don't chase my tail, at least as frantically..

Hey, I've even had my rabies shots.. no worries for anybody..

Even the Beatles lamented..

assuming they got it right.. If every man were a prophet, and every woman a prophet's wife.. that would explain the twi mindset towards women.. Oh yes. In the 1970's, I saw women raked over the coals even when they "asked their husbands at home". "Woman, shut the *f* up.."

Well, for me.. I was involved for twenty two years. You could say that I had quite a bit "invested" in the organization. My exit was not under the best of circumstances.. I was eyeball to eyeball with a madman. Come to think of it, that's how I got involved to begin with. "They" just had better table manners back then. I felt like part of me died. At least I am "enabled" to put the pieces together, know why and how a LUNATIC could be and was set in charge of a whole state. I think some people would rather swallow the blue pill, and wake back up the next morning in twi la-la land.. can't really go back "home".. :)

like, what? Could you give a few examples of this "poisonous" information? " "dr" wierwille died of cancer.." it's only negative if a person chooses to make it negative. Of course, cancer=devil spirt would make it quite negative, if the doctrine were true. Poison is only poisonous by considering the context, or relationship to a given organism. Penicillin is poisinous to certain bacteria.. but to people, it is a medicine.

I dunno.. looking at the record now, it looks pretty vague and general to me.. "she saw, she desired, she ate.." I think a person has to make quite a few assumptions to say that "THIS is how the adversary works today".

That's the whole point, isn't it? I would not have been involved had I seen it, either. So, yeah.. look who's in charge. rosie the "enabler". She sacrificed her "own kind" (women), or allowed it. She was well aware of loy's "preclivities", for years, by her own admission. I think she was just waiting for loy to hang himself. Equals? Hmm. Maybe in a Hemingway kinda fashion.. if they could fish, hunt, roll with the punches..

I would add: consider the smallness of the content of der vey's website. Every bit of "good" they can possibly wring out of the organization is there, and they have what.. a few piecemeal "teachings.." a few pictures of middle and older aged people with a well rehearsed smile on their faces.. very likely older archive photos of the auditorium and grounds when they were a lot better kept up.. and no names. Why? You'd think they'd want to hang the credit (or blame) on somebody for those few abreviated inane "teachings".. like it's owner, the website is rather "small". If not small minded. If they were really honest.. They'd have a page about their history.. with at least a FACTUAL treatment of the life and death of it's founder. Perhaps biographical info about who runs the place now. Perhaps a description of the content of their classes and seminars. Perhaps even the rules and expectations of participants in their various programs.. And you don't get this information, from der vey. I think John Juedes really fills in a vacuum here.. not in a manner der vey may like.. I'm glad he chose to interact with us. I don't fault him for a few factual errors.. it's like learning another language..