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"Death" is often used used as a symbol for change.. ususually irreversible..

Not to side track too much, but Dave, was he rather uneducated and obtuse then, or was it the effect of eleven years more experience in der vey that made him at the least appear that way when I met him in the 1990's? Only thing I can think is loy didnt want anybody around more intelligent than himself.. gave all his men cans of paint and a paper bag and ordered "have at it boys.." sorry, I know, I'm a bad squirrel.. really.. the guy left me with the impression that it was a miracle that he made it through the fifth grade..

But will they do all that, and windows too?

Not AS evil. Society managed to keep him SOMEWHAT in check. He simply did what he could get away with.. as much as he and the inner circle could do, and cover up. Would he have done as much evil as HItler if he lacked constraints? That is a question I can't authoritatively answer. But we know his track record, he did misuse his authority, drug, and sexually assault the flock. I think a reasonable answer is, without restraints, he would be worse than he was. If he could have moved with impunity, I think a lot more people would have gotten hurt.

They tried something like that in the sixties, marijuana was actually legal for a short period of time, and look where it got them.. LSD was legal at the time too, and practically a whole generation of kids that would rather go live like the American Indians.. the alternative certainly can appear rather attractive, compared to the "egg sucking" reality society and government had to offer at the time.. the way things are going, I wonder if we're gonna see it all happen again..

Not to mention, that I'd rather deal with a bunch of glassy-eyed stoners than a bunch of glassy eyed cultists.. I never had the memory problem. But if I did, I probably wouldn't remember it..

Maybe not Joe, but as a squirrel, let me offer you a couple of pecans. Well, I think the hucksters actually BELIEVE they have the finest knowledge before time began, otherwise they would find it a little difficult to sell their product. Welcome to the cafe!

Actually, I don't think it got worse.. they just took what was at the root level, and spread it around a little.. hmm. maybe that is worse.. If you can imagine a couple hundred Geers give or take, hitting the field with a vengeance.. that's pretty close to what happened.

by the time I left in 96.. it got to the place they were trolling for a half a reason to work somebody over and put them on some kind of spiritual "leave", or some kind of "correction" program of sorts. "we know something is wrong here. If you knew what was good for you, you'd spill your guts and tell us. " I think some people made stuff up.. "Yes, yes.. I'm a homo, AND I'm possessed, AND I'm an idolater, AND.." The only thing I ever honestly told this sycophant was that I really couldn't trust him. But I was nice about it. Somehow, the "inquisitor" expected the poor slobs in these "meetings" to provide evidence for their own guilt and lynching..

I use the Dillinger analogy because when he wasn't otherwise robbing, pillaging and doing general mayhem, he could actually be a nice guy to some people. Some thought Dillinger was a modern Robin Hood.. Lets see. vic robbed from Stiles/Bullinger/Leonard/etc., and he gave to us poor blokes.. umm, or maybe he sold it to us poor blokes.. well, it doesn't match, at least on all points.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell sounds kinda familiar.. I haven't looked very close, but I wonder if CES holds to the claim of knowing da bible like it hasn't been known since the first century..

I dunno.. I think if it is something that I really like, like math.. I'll work my rear off.. I don't know if I'm a people pleaser as such, I'm pretty happy in general with myself and life, even though I'm on the trek toward a different career. But it makes my day if I can make someone other than myself happy.

I wonder if they can issue you a ticket and fine for speed dating.. don't try it through a construction zone. They double the fines here..

Why not? One of my favorite figures of speech does allow for this.. how often does the bible quote itself, giving different meanings and different contexts to not only the words, but sometimes whole passages themselves? "umm, it really wasn't about David, it was about Jesus.." or "umm, it really wasn't about Ahitophel's treachery, it was about Judas's betrayal.." Apparently this is how the divine often communicates with the human..

I remember some "stuff" back in the seventies.. dear brother brought home some kind of cambodian something or another that a friend grew from the seeds.. after not very long, the other two in the room starting speaking like Donald Duck. Thought they were fooling around, until left the room. The whole world was speaking like Donald Duck..

Hmm. I don't know if you can have a "comeback" if you didn't "have it" to begin with.. There are some possibilities though.. Hire a dozen or so of those REAL BIG water tankers, along with high pressure pumps and fire hoses.. wash out the OSC, chalet and auditorium from one end to the other.. including rosie and staff. carefully deposit the "washings" at the nearest toxic land fill in the county.. if they'll accept it.. then maybe we can talk about some kind of "rebuilding".

Oh.. Catcup.. Bumpy is a boy. Thought enquiring minds would want to know..

aint it the truth.. that's why they wouldn't put me in charge of much of anything. I'm ruined, damaged merchandise, as far as corporate america is concerned.. Sometimes I think a person is better off being toast.. :)

I would agree. It's almost like, some people have way too much invested to think otherwise. What if you found that everything you believe is wrong.. for some people, I think it would be like the stock market crash in 1929.

The online translator really thinks you two are hacks in german.. says you're talking about heavy women.. and history.. But that's a computer. I can't afford to pay the "human" on the other end to translate.. :)

Ah.. one of those who indulge in "new wine"

I dunno. Many many striking parallels between the two.. Hitler took the credit for giving the German people purpose, prosperity.. Vic took the credit for giving the hippies and spiritually "destitute" people, though christian already, purpose and power in life (though they perhaps already had it) Hitler was the "father" of da fatherland.. vic was the "father" in da verd.. Hitler and his henchmen slowly slid the noose around the people's necks, and started demanding one small sacrifice after another.. vic and henchmen did the same with the "ministry"..

Not what I'm saying at all. "I wanted to serve God, and the vicster slowly wormed himself into God's place, asserting that to serve him and his "ministry" to be equaivalent to serving God himself" Yeah.. I wasn't so smart either. If you were one of the "mature" ones, you were to "come to the realization that you owed your VERY LIFE to da 'ministry' that taught you 'da word'.." and like a good follower, I swallowed this twisted, foul batch of kool aid. at least it wore off eventually.

No suprise.. even Hitler still has a fan club.

I hear that Hussein could sling a pretty good Koran.. for a lie to really work, usually it has to be embellished with truth..