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No, but instead of taking the vicster's word for it, one should prove it at the very least for oneself. at least in my opinion..

Whoever wants the blue pill.. well, I feel for you buddy..

The Squirrel dons one of those "funny British wigs" "Your Honor, I object.." Who says there are five, why does it have to be as many as five, or even more than five? If I remember correctly, he also stated "any time you read the word faith, it is ONE OF THESE FIVE.." If you are citing a proof by exhaustive examination of cases, you MUST cite EVERY CASE- for the proof to be valid. :)

"It is 11:30 PM. Do you parents know where your threads are tonight?"

I dunno.. I think "truth" is as fragmented in the world as our collective consciousness.. :)

Are the few crumbs from the great(?) man's table really worth it? "Thanks *mr* Capone, you're a "saint of Gawd"... " :(

I don't either. Maybe somehow, these gasbags have imprinted themselves on some people's consciousness as being God himself.. maybe they convinced them to huff the right kind of spiritual glue.. or maybe... der evil "doctor" gave them some kind of spiritual lobotomy.. reminds me of the "reformed" hippy girl in twig in the 70's.. "we call him DOCTOR Wierwille.. grr, grrr.." I thought.. "what did they do to YOU?" Or, maybe, it's just fear.. maybe they can't even consider or take an honest look at some of man's darker nature. That is why Hitler got away with so much before some people woke up..

Catcup, one little snag in this "paradise".. maybe the 70 wives come with 70 angry mothers in law.. I wonder what CG thinks awaits for him at the "bema"..

2. I dunno.. I'm awful tired of trying to apply bible verses to pass judgement on these characters.. their actions have really said enough.. they seem to always (?) be able to pull out some "biblical" justification for haranging people without end for some lack of protocol, some biblical reason for screwing, raping, taking advantage of sisters in christ who are *under* their care.. always some damned "biblical" reason.. all of this has had only one effect on me: I really am starting to feel like throwing away the bible.. entirely.. hell is starting to look a lot lot better than some people's version of heaven..

Maybe you could explain what the "pat theory" is here..

reminds me what the vey kids did to a holocaust victim a few years ago.. it was on a thread here. They attacked her without mercy.. publically. Practically called her a liar, a cheat.. What is the mentality here.. is "your" belief really worth that much?

I think some refuse to mourn. Reality is just too hard to consider.. they may prove to be impossible to convince.

Did someone say humor?? what's more fun than watching a wacky squirrel chasing it's tail.. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...=14905&st=0

hmmm. Three of you say you were attacked by the crazy squirrel. Can't be, I only know two of you here that I bit..

He was supposed to be a father figure.. he even showed that to be an illusion. A real father doesn't do this with a daughter.. it puts a blot on him he can't wash off.. what a stained, half an excuse of a man..

Kinda like saying, "well, Capone was a killer, a gangster, but don't dare call him a common thug.." so much mincing about which label to hang on the mogster.. In either case.. call it what you will.. what "daddy" did was rather despicible.. what a monster.

I dunno. Gathering people into a gang around some little part or parcel of truth.. pretty miserable existence. Then you have to defend your "truth"'s honor, against all the other little parts and parcels in the world.. Claim you have a "bigger" piece of the pie.. does it really give some people that good of a feeling? it's like a damn drug.. the first pinprick is probably pretty awful..sacrifice your own logic and standards.. after a few times, "so what".. "just a little sexual indescretion. He's just a man.. after all I FEEL so GOOD.." Some of us don't need cult recovery, I think we need rehab..

He was supposed to BE a father figure.. what did "daddy" do? Pretty disgusting.. no matter how you look at it..

If der vey ever loses it's cold grip on the property, the new owners could make a fortune.. just dig up the fountain site.. Can't start a REAL offshoot without a few "holy" relics.. "your Majesty. Here! An authentic finger of St. vic the "divine".." sheesh.

Now if they put up a shrine in his honor, you might be able to say that of the whole organization..

actually, I'm sad that they don't know any better..

fleeting shadows a a few great(?) names..

I dunno.. I think "the truth" is about as fragmented in the world as our collective consciousness is..

I met an exwayer that found he fit very very well in with a couple of local civic organizations. But he always second guessed his motives, how much "real" good it was doing, the profit.. I think he still held some of loy's dislike of those kinds of places. Is it the right thing to do? Is it less than spiritual, or godly? One of the very few times I would actually offer advice.. Don't think what you are passionate about, what gives common ground, or what brings joy, or light, to not be spriritual or godly. I've seen others find their calling, and go back to "just" teaching the bible.. Very sad..

I avoid Walmart like the plague.. I think it is so large, there is a black hole in the middle of it, sucking in customers, money, carts, kids, pets.. kinda like the famed roach motel. They check in, but they don't check out..