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What a miserable existence.. these guys think somehow they've inherited vic's "legacy", or power.. he's a pale imitation.. no matter how much like the "master" he smells..

I tend to agree with this. He could turn on the light.. I think that is why some people have a hard time connecting with reality here.. they were dazzled by it.. "but look at all the GOOD he did.." yeah, he paid out, but it was in terms of stolen goods. Maybe some "entity" did make some agreement with him back in 1942.. if so, I kinda doubt it was God..

Some mystics talk about the death of self, of fleshly individuality. I don't know if that is entirely possible.. I think the most "successful" (for lack of better words), at least spiritually, chose to wear their skin, or individuality, but not to allow it to wear them..

shoulda read a little closer.. looks like you beat me to it.. but yes, fifty eight years old??? what I have somewhat of a hard time understanding.. how did he convince twenty some year olds to conceal and cover up this kind of activity? Then again.. I've met a couple of them. Not too much brain to wash to begin with..

It really, really has to be bad, when one can smell oneself..

on top of that.. if I don't take a shower twice a day, especially in the summer my odor resembles that of a goat..

hmm. I'm fifty.. ya know, at that stage in life a person is old enough to be a grandparent. I don't feel that old.. but a person going into that age category is more than a mother/father figure, you're starting to look more like a grandmother/grandfather figure. Is it NORMAL for a 50 something year old man to want to have sex with a 18 year old girl (or younger), let alone drug said individual? Not me. And yes, I have been offered.. and "nobody" would ever have known.. I like playing the nutso squirrel.. but there are those who depend on my judgement.. I just couldn't betray that kind of trust, even as minimal as some may regard it. no thanks.. so friggin gross. a fifty some old guy? We have this hair that starts growing out of our ears, our noses.. I should know

I dunno George, but if you ask questions like that they may give you the boobie prize.. as far as the survey goes.. can I give it a blanket "I dunno"? I honestly think "truth" is about as fragmented as our collective consciousness.. :)

Like the plague, I don't think her grip on the group will ever be entirely eradicated..

I guess we just found out what some people meant when they said that people have no idea of what "we are capable of".. Look what they did in world war two.. If they aren't the same dark entities, they sure can do a pretty good imitation..

You've GOTTA be kidding..

So.. not laying blame on any one individual, you are saying that you had a good reason, despite being reduced to what might be described as a near psychotic episode, which you did recover from, brought on by involvement in a "christian" organization. add the fact that the whole family was involved.. I wonder.. what did the rest of the family think? Were they concerned? Have questions? I know I would have. If my kid came home, holed up in a room, and wouldn't talk for days, I'd have a few concerns..

more like tangerines and oranges. In both cases, people were traumatized. Only one worse than the other. So I re-issue the question: why did YOU stay?

Probably the same reason you stayed for YEARS, after being reduced to a pile of sobbing rubble who couldn't leave your room for days.. I always wanted to ask.. why DID you stay?

I think a valid experiment is pretty much impossible.. giving several groups a controlled substance.. tracking them for YEARS.. the current OPINION of the substance would render the experiment unethical, to begin with.. it would be like having people in several groups ingest a few milligrams of benzene every day, and tracking the group to see how the group's statistics of occurence of cancer varied from a control group. Correlational studies are quick, cheap.. but proof of correlation does not prove causation. Somebody did one once on seatbelt usage. After the new law, emergency rooms showed a significant higher incidence of people being treated for accident injuries. But one could not reasonably argue that wearing seatbelts caused accidents.

Perhaps one needs such a tool, lest looking directly into the light, one really gets burned.. it has been known to happen.. :)

Yeah, can't be perfect.. I wasn't close enough to really experience that.. thought I'd leave that description to be given by someone more qualified than me.. :)

If he needs the money that bad.. I know a few Eskimos that could use some ice..

Makes me wonder... Did *mr* geer figure this pfal nest egg into some kind of retirement? Something exactly marketable? If so, it would make perfect, logical and financial sense why he would fail to attach the "master's" name to it. He was more than knowledgeable of the vicmeister's transgressions. Maybe it is the dream of a madman.. how in the world can an UNTRAINED (unless you consider vic's influence), wierwill worshipping, gun-toting, abusive, arrogant, tyranical, uneducated, unqualified and uncouth loudmouth.. at least at the last siting.. and if it's really any different, I'd like to see him chime in here and say so.. possibly sell a class on the BIBLE? hmm. loy should have it so easy..

Yep.. and what became of that little fiasco.. The only ran ONE scum of the earth out of the joint..

Yep. It is even more clear why they covered, fired people, squirmed, threatened and bullied to keep all of this quiet. Not to mention the legal possibilities, I think we would have fled decades before had we known. They were afraid for vic's "legacy" for more reasons than one. I wonder how "above board" they are now.. loy was no better than "pappy" either. If the court records are right, they kept up this same kind of nonsense into the late 1990's.

I think it was.. :)

Yeah.. you know.. being "queen" isn't exactly as much fun and games as some people think, eh? I think those who don't afford some to have their pain, maybe they haven't taken a realistic look at their own..

I don't know how long you've been around.. every ego is pretty flimsy.. yours is about as small as anybody elses on the planet.. how many of "us" do you think there are? It can be pretty frightening.. :)

Maybe not a crutch.. I think some people treat God like a stick. "Why in the WORLD would you want to waste your precious time getting that ministry unsanctioned master's degree, when you can witness, go to twig, run classes, and clean your 'leader's' toilets? GOD IS NOT GOING TO LIKE IT..."