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The troubling thing about all this, at least to me.. how many times did I keep going back, buying the same daggone thing.. same class, over, and over, and over again.

well, sowy.. I'll foot the bill for the Immodium.. I was just trying to use language Oldies would understand.. :) One of the main advertisements for pfal was a promise of material abundance. "INCREASE (whose?) PROSPERITY" I think it was purely a bait and switch operation. Promise somebody abundance, and turn around and say "well, it's the SPIRITUAL abundance that is more important anyway.." Sell that which is concrete, deliver that which is abstract. Be like promising a paycheck at the end of the week, and then tell the guy on Friday "well, it's not so bad.. you can pretend having all the money you want.."

More likely though.. he is probably cleaning up hamburger all over the highway in Mystic, Connecticut..

Hmmmmm. I wonder where he is today.. Maybe he's trying to find his way out of a wet paper bag..

That's wonderful.. but I'd like to see what it did for people in the senses relm.

I think the other thread dealt with some pretty abstract concepts. People say, "yeah, I got born again.. got peace.. understand the word.. got a good feeling.." Whether they are true or not, I feel that a lot of the claims are pretty subjective. I am looking for something more concrete here. Specifically.. HOW did it help? What did it actually DO? Did you make a million bucks with "the magic of believing.." or hard work? On an honest, practical level, about all the class did for me was to encourage me to learn a little Greek.. and figures of speech. My reading comprehension at the time didn't need any help. Any other "benefit" I got from it can only be described in rather abstract terms. The "other" thread has page upon page of abstract claims, and many equally abstract disclaimers. I'd just like folks to consider and share what real TANGIBLE "results" they actually got out of da class..

I dunno.. for me, I abandoned friends, family, teachers, school, and academics in general to follow the "word as it has not been known since the first century". That is one way to solve the "conflict".. it all seemed to be a magic wand, which made all of the problems just go away. Those in da ministry accepted me for who and what I was, for a while.

Perhaps.. Just thinking.. a fifty some year old guy, jumping up and down shouting out words like "artios" and "exartizo" is kinda "geeky" is it not? Actually I didn't learn any real Greek in the class, technically speaking. That came later, looking at Bullinger's stuff, and lexicons.. I was the only guy in math or physics who could properly pronounce the Greek symbols. people were impressed..

Actually, yes.

I think the short answer is "yes".. :)

I'm sure with the right kind of money, he could get the victors to lash out a little promotional tune.. *ahem, cough, cough, ahem..* *I'm selling some land....* *well under the tide......* *I'll let it go cheap...* *and then I'll go hide.. do do do do..*

"Hurry, hurry hurry.. special today, today onlay... one wet suit and air tank with each purchase.. hurry, hurry, hurry.."

Soooo.. where is *mr* gear now.. maybe. hmmm.. maybe.. maybe he's in Newport Rhode Island, busy finishing a real estate transaction, selling a piece of vacation property a mere fifty feet below the Atlantic Ocean. Well, it would be more honest than selling a re-do of pfal..

Not "mind blowing" revelation(?), nothing like "I got some peace".. I'm looking for something just slightly a little less abstract. I'm looking for CONCRETE, DOCUMENTABLE "results". If you say "I learned how to tithe, and I made a million bucks without the customary hard work" that might apply here.. For me, it got me interested enough in figures of speech to look a little further. That did come handy a few times in college english and literature classes. Probably made a half grade difference, in the lit class. That's about it..

In general, I think loy's screamfests from the pulpit were perhaps among the worst..

to add another one of the vicster's thoughts, "things equal to the same thing are equal to each other" makes it rather interesting.. I think this teaching is not too far from her vicmeister's original trinitarian roots. You have God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Scriptures backed and authored by the Holy Spook (sorry, couldn't resist.. ) For the scripture to take the PLACE of the "absent" yet accounted for Chirst, does is not have to perform the FUNCTION of the absent Christ, ON ALL POINTS? Remove one point.. and the written word cannot be honestly considered a true replacement.. in my opinion anyway.

Welcome Agape99. For some people, I would say it felt like an electric fence.. they say all a farm animal has to do is to touch the fence just once.. then you can turn off the juice. It'll never touch it again.

Hmmm. You know, the Master ended up borrowing a better looking body in the late eighties, I think.. Kinda looks like Anthony Ainley, now deceased.. :)

Eyes, maybe you ought to try something slightly more subtle. A persistent knock on the door, ringing of the door bell.. "who's there?" "Candy Gram.."

Thanks, I Think.. we'd have to rewrite thessalonians. I'll have the new research team work on it. Has to be in the original somewhere.. "and the squirrel shall descend from heaven(?) with a high squeaky voice.. rise you nuts, rise from your slumber.. walnuts and pecans, peanuts and brazils.. and all manner of "fruits" of der vey.. watch, pray, and make the plantings of walnuts straight, lest the lord of squirrel, when he come, smite thee.."

I'm shocked. Nobody nominated me for staff who give stability and support.. at leasst I could do grounds. There would be lotsa walnut trees..

not only will you have their ear, most likely, you'lll have a good dose of their arrogance. But I don't think they have anybody charismatic enough to stand up front on a SNS and confront "da body of christ'..

Wonder how fast he'll rat these guys out to save his own hide.. no friends when it comes to da verd..

I wonder if it'll end up like a Star Wars episode.. "Brip, search you feelings.. I am your father.." "Arrrrrrrrrrrgbhhhhhhhhhhhh...noooooooooooooooooo..." "Join me, and together we'll overthrow da emporess, and bring peace to all veydom.."

let it not be said that she deprived one of it's proper respiration, either.