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Hmm. One thought.. what's in it for jl? He's pimping the thing as recently as 2006. maybe he thinks it's public service.. naw... only thing I can think.. to promote something like this, even privately to an individual, knowing full well what the experience is like.. the promoter has to be some kind of goon.. I almost feel it's about time for someone to pipe up and say, "hey, I didn't get no disease from it.." I think the person is "lucky" if they didn't.

What it really makes me ask.. "what did it REALLY do to them?"

Maybe that's what the "hold harmless" thingy is really about.. no recourse for picking up a few "harmless" germs..

Hmm. Maybe this reduces the "status" of momentus even further.. like it's a harlot.. needs someone to try to chase down a few customers..

not my idea of spending an otherwise enjoyable weekend, either..

maybe not king.. maybe he's more like a Queen Dowager.. Well, before sonny boy MG split the scene.. but they no longer publically endorse or recommend momentus. Just for the special, the few jl thinks might need it.. I thought personal prophecy and momentus got married in CES.. now they've reduced her status to that of 'concubine".

Merry Christmas.. I'd imagine this is worth more than anything else at the time.. :) hope you can enjoy the holiday with your dad.

What a senseless way to get a meal. I mean.. it would take a dozen or so to fill a pot..

I suppose I could box up a few peanuts. Squirrels are probably starving there..

"MOST SIGNIFICANT"? as far as "signs following those who believe".. the "movement" was an abject failure.. there was a LOT of talk, but few "results". perhaps a success on an organizational level. A real money maker.. for some.

MOST SIGNIFICANT? why can't people just be "ordinary"

One observation.. jl acted rather quickly. So fast, a lot of the leaves didn't even hit the ground.. I wonder how much of a real "favor" he did for them. Maybe as individuals.. but to provide another organizational comfort zone.. I dunno. When I left der vey, I didn't seek out anybody to help me with "exit counselling" or anything.. just found that the world wasn't such a bad place. I did look a year or so prior to leaving. Sure, there's evil here, but it was in the old organization as well. Interesting to see some people come here.. and it's almost like they've woken up from a coma, and it's still like "another day at the way".. it's almost like they've left another "way ministry".

The only difference I could detect in the few of their publications I've read.. I read their "major" work.. well it was at the time.. "one God and one lord". They DOCUMENTED much of their sources. The style of writing was better.. there was a little more continuity and organization. But with few exceptions, I felt that it is the same material, nothing REALLY new. I think it is vic's legacy, in a new and improved package. I suppose that it fills some kinda niche..

I wonder if she lived up to the twi definition.. a hard man, err, woman, to live with.. issuing one-sided edicts.. This is one reason I feel that CES is effectively "neutered". They don't have the stamina to pull off any kind of effective witnessing campaign.. besides, it is far far easier to enjoy someone else's labors. looking at the "bright" side.. I don't think any one "leader" has the wherewithal to start another similar organization. Nor would I think that he or she garner any kind of real support from the ex way community. The troubling thing though, I think.. CES tried to fill a niche, not find a mission. What's their real passion here.. is it to really help people.. and how? Just by "researching" the bible? Giving little personal prophecies and palm readings? Selling worn out twi doctrine? Personally.. I've already bought a bookshelf full of new and improved, biblically "accurate" mousetraps.. got a whole closet full. What makes theirs any better?

Now if there was a club that made such a distinction for me.. well.. well.. the world doesn't exactly seem to be beating a path to my little doorstep..

and, by the time said person did their job, i.e., brought people in the fold, brought cashola to the twi or SOME offshoot coffers, they were sent out of town on a rail: all that's left are momentus "grads".

"wowser"..

I dunno.. I think it's partly due to proposed thought that the same kind of energy, or whatever we are fundamentally made of, repels. It's a love/hate relationship we all seem to share.. Perhaps religion just gives it a rational explanation. Maybe it is an "adornment" to our already fragile identity.

but you have to admit.. there are worse causes. at least he's not preaching the pope's coming with an aircraft carrier.. I'll watch it if I can.. don't exactly think I'll get "possessed"..

something like "This MAN is the GREAT power of God" ?

Maybe I'm not "spurtual" enough. It says "sign in, or sign up" could some of you bigwigs write me a letter of recommendation?

Interesting.. I kinda think thought that the twi definition of an "apostle" was kinda shady too. Any second rate huckster who can read a few greek words, and bring some of E.W. Bullinger's "old light" to a "new" generation can be launched to stardom.. just pretend you know what Bullinger was talking about. look at loy.. through his "might and power".. he even solved the riddle of the sphinx for us poor barely deserving of such greatness.. people actually fawned over him, saying that they were so blessed to have a man of gawd that could bring such "light".. I actually thought at the time.. "what's the big deal? I read that in Bullinger ten years ago.." What I find even more interesting in your discussions DWBH.. is their fixation on "prophethood". It's the only one which by twi definition gives some half baked know it all the license to be as obnoxious as he or she wishes. "often a hard man to live with" Also gives one license to issue rather one sided edicts..

I dunno.. so what's the big difference between attacks, whether they are personal or impersonal? An impersonal attack: "sorry kid, you've got some real potential. And don't think it's anything exactly personal, and in other circumstances, we may actually have been friends. But I've just gotta blugeon SOMEBODY" Personal or not, is not the effect the same?

and they've simply supplied us with a half a dozen more good excuses.. Does he really think when he stands before the lord.. "well done, thou whoest bledest thy life out for da organization.." "depart from me, ye workers of wickedness, who refusest to hearken to da personal prophecy from mah chosen one.. even though he was on the low end of the learning curve..after all, he was just making a few mistakes.." it really sounds like even more "biblical denial". Just use a verse or two.. how we oughter get along.. keep a running motion picture in one's mind where you're at the bema.. getting rewarded.. others being roughly interrogated as to why they didn't agree with you.. I wonder how many times a day he plays it..

No, but spading and neutering might be a real option here. The old large, tired, sad cult can then live out the rest of it's days in peace and contentment, just without adding to the organizational overpopulation problem..