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So why would they even CARE what I think.. Not all the time, but often a dose of reality resembles your referenced curdled green expelled material.. the whole crew involved in the new venture.. they KNOW where the kind of organization they want to emlulate went to in the seventies, eighties, nineties.. except for the "coordinator". My opinion. the same system they are trying to wring some good out of, provided courtesans for the mogs and mog wanabes.. and thank God- YOU didn't take advantage of it. But how many did? I'm sure they won't come forward into the little "vomitorium" and spill their guts.. probably have wives, families they might destroy.. oh well.. it'll probably eat their stomach out for the rest of their days. How much does junior really know about the "history of da way"? we didn't get very far..

But Rocky's outrage was kinda a surprise. You'd a thought I slapped the Queen of England or something.. :) The last time I heard that kind of "correction" was about twenty five or so years ago from an equally unlikely source: a young girl who was a retired hippie of sorts.. I called vic "wierwille".. and she almost jumped out of her skin and hissed, "WE CALL HIM DOCTOR Wierwille!!!" You'd a thought I'd slapped the Queen of England or something..

Johnny, I'm actually being civil here. I'll spare you from seeing my nasty side.. ;) But.. didn't these guys have a CLUE of what kind of hornets nest they would stir up.. I just want a few answers. If "they" would have kept up some kind of dialog, I wouldn't be posting my questions and concerns here.. Apparently they don't owe me any answers on account of my lack of involvement in the organization. Only a guess, but probably a good one..

given his history with der vey, a court very well may consider something like this beyond simple copyright infringement.. toss in something that involves the word "malicious".. how many acres do you say you have?

Another thought.. with such a CLOSE resemblence to a product of "The Way International".. I'd be quite suprised if they didn't get a letter from twi's legal "champions".. especially since Mc***en is involved in it..

If it is a work/study program.. who is going to do the teaching? what material? are they gonna run bootleg copies of vic's Thesslonians teachings? Or Romans? Or whatever? These REALLY are the kind of questions that SHOULD be answered on a web page somewhere.. or a course catalog. If I had a child considering going to something like this.. I would REALLY REALLY want to have a few HONEST answers.. it reminds me of a scene at a sanitarium in the 1800's.. dropping off a loved one who is just a little confused.. "You'll treat him OK? What are you going to do?" "Don't worry mahm.. we know what we are doing.. we'll take GOOD care of him.."

Don't forget to pay first. They'll give you a "deal". Probably sixty to a hundred bucks or so.. "Your pen, or mine?" Then there's the intermediate.. whatever they call it now.. and the advanced whatever.. don't wanna be a slacker, do you? Oh.. I hear they still have a corps program for those who wish to be "gawd's crap troops.." sowie.. :)

what I find interesting here.. Shr*yer is barely cold in the ground before this little groundbreaking. Just two months..

Maybe he hasn't considered.. in twenty or thirty years, the "trainees" will be giving THEIR evaluations.. and it might be in a place like this..

Similarities.. they'll just have to take the first set of folks, kick their a**, and send them home as "zeros".. just for appearance sakes..

What the "young man" may not realize.. he's gonna outlast these "old geezers" by say, about.. forty or so years. who's going to be left holding the bag when things go sour?

As far as the "young man" is concerned.. I think he's brilliant. Graduated Cum Laude.. very intelligent. lots of potential.. WHY IS HE HANGING AROUND A BUNCH OF "GEEZERS" close to three times his age, who want to resurrect some OLD program? He may be brilliant.. but "unproven".. like you said he is a "young" man. Why are a BUNCH OF OLD GEEZERS carrying a banner with HIS name on it? I think these are reasonable questions.. I've been really nice with any characterizations I've made, to this point..

umm, I happen to know him. I won't print emails. All I say is, the info I got was "sketchier" than the website.. among my concerns.. "what are you doing to prevent the kind of fiasco that the corps program turned out to be" who's watching those in charge.. what are their qualifications.. or is it going to be a program based on the same kind of slip shod reasoning.. that put people in harms way- and got consequences that they did NOT sign on for.. I asked nicely. Well, as nicely as I could :) You did give me a little more info.. Mcm**In's involved with it..

I think he has a "counsel" of wierwillian yes men.. tell me if I'm wrong..

That wasn't my question.."what have you done to keep history from repeating itself". The "kid"'s heart is irrelevant.. at least as to my inquiry. There is no assumption. At least at this point, as far as I'm concerned. but why should they care for my concerns..

I've only asked easy questions, so far..

I can hear the "answers" before I even ask.. "and what are YOU doing for gawd.." "why aren't YOU involved.." "you know NOTHING about it.." well.. here I am.. enlighten me.

Or it is a voice of HONEST DAMN INQUIRY. The questions the *in* crowd won't ask.. where heads bob up and down at every level of the "tree".. "yaw, that's a good idea. I heard it's a good idea.. it's a good idea after all.. sounds biblical.." I just wish I didn't have to ask them here.. I'm not going to ask them at the portals of the mutual admiration society.. just get the same answers..

It seems all I get are more questions. So Mc*&LL*n is organizing it.. So is the youngster's organization and idea, or Mc's? WHY is the youngster's name on it? just more questions.. I don't want to GUESS motive.. but I will if that's my only option.. but what do they care what I think anyway.. with the only information I have.. my own personal conclusion is the youngster's name is being taken advantage of. I'd really like to be proven wrong in this particular matter.

Slander isn't exactly the issue here. It's.. these yokels want to perpeptuate the same system that allowed loy, vic and others to pillage God's people.. in my opinion, as mistaken as it may, or may not be. That very well may not be their aim. They very well may have good intentions. But look where good intentions led us once before.. a "survival program" which sets a hierarchy in one or more organizations.. you tell me. I asked the questions, and I did NOT get the answers. Just a lot of religious run around..

I dunno. Probably be like trying to lobby for a bill against stupidity well.. stranger things have passed the vote.. There's a chili cookoff somewhere around here.. and among some claims are that some of the chilis are the hottest known to man. There's a stipulation however.. the originator of said chili must actually CONSUME a bowl of said chili. They want to "send forth leaders and(who are?) workers.." let's see the guy(s) who want to run the thing with that yoke on them.. for two, three, four more years.. go start a new work somewhere. See what it's REALLY like.. residency in a little summer "outreach" program won't fit the bill here.

Nope. He's far too occupied trying to get somebody else..

If one wants to "move the WORD" supposedly like the old man.. why doesn't one just go start a "twig" somewhere.. see how it really works. See IF it really works. Hold a job.. rent a house or apartment somewhere.. actually "witness" to those around you.. see if you've REALLY got the power you think.. I really don't think participating in a hold your hand second rate summer outreach program in a little known offspring somehow "gives you the power".. if one calls that "real life".. I don't have the proper words to describe my opinion. :) All of these little thoughts are just a warm up.. I haven't really even gotten started yet..

Plus someone in charge.. who is LARGELY unproved.. the kid MIGHT be qualified to run a weekend camp or something..

Hmm.. it would seem to me if they found a "certain" parent organization to sponsor it as some kind of "retreat" or activity, would not the parent organization assume the liability? And I think some insurance doesn't cover certain types of damages..