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Shroyer did say he had a few "issues" with "doc" over "putting teeth (and "accountability") in da love of gawd.."I can almost hear him rolling over in his grave a whole state away. when it doesn't "work", I think they'll turn rather abusive.. I don't think JP is a naive as he lets on.

Naw, couldn't be. Just too plain simple.. Why is it easier for some to believe the incredible.. Ya know, if gawd actually dictated plaf to him like some would have us think.. then aren't they making gawd out as a plagiarist? The last time I read the bible, I noticed even God himself cited his sources..

What's even more creepy.. there are people who still have little meetings behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms, eating pickled pigs feet, busy figuring out how to carry out the master plan of "mein fuhrer".. in a way. That's the mind picture I have of some offshoots. I think some have sacrificed their life, libery and conscience to the degree that they can't even consider that the vicster could have possibly been just plane WRONG. That's not even an option. I don't think they could come to terms with the kinds of "works" they performed in the mogster's behalf.

This is a rather famous bus. The Smithsonian actually wanted to induct it..

That rusty old truck doesn't have anything on this beastie:

I emailed him. Really. I said the above quote except in nicer terms. My take on it- he's not REALLY aware of the abuse in the system they're trying to resurrect.. or even of the potential for abuse. The over the hillers around him are above recrimination, "honorable" counsellors, one and all.. There is no qualified staff there that I can tell. I couldn't even guarantee that any of them know first aid. I feel in my spirit that at least one "staffer" REALLY has more than a potential for abusing his authority in the situation. Add to this, the claim UP FRONT is that an enrollee may be summarily dismissed by staff, and sent home at any time.. It's VERY troubling, to me. So they'll make these kids run the gauntlet, work their rearsies off.. and at the end have a piece of paper they'll despise in thirty years.. that MAY open the doors to a "career" flipping burgers somewhere.. though it may very well be some kinda soy product..

Happy Birthday friend! Hope you enjoy your day..

And that's what I think the "just get over it" crowd often times does not really get. A person can't exactly tear out the bad, and keep the good. Look at the recent developments.. do they REALLY think they can "get it right" this time? I don't think so.. especially if a few honest questions are met with hostility or putting someone on just plain ignore. Sometimes I think part of the next stage of development involves seeing the last one for what it really was..

looks like a bunch of spiritually unemployed or bankrupt "rowdies" may have picked up his banner..

It makes me wonder if they have anything better to do with their time.. why not get a hobby.. Where's the "need" for this kind of thing anyway? Doesn't cff already have some kind of leadership training deal? I wonder if that won't mean a hill of beans now.

I wonder how many of the "board" are technically unemployed at the moment.. it's just a thought.

Yep. I'm suprised you didn't see this.. Squirrel ranting on page after page

Bliss, what was your first impression of his little internet site? Mine was.. "sheesh, he's looking for volunteers to chop and stack his fire wood, fix the farm equipment, herd and slaughter his farm animals.. build the farm.. and at the end of the day, listen to old tapes of V1P1 teaching Thessalonians or something." I originally thought it was a joke. No, he says it's no joke.. just him and a bunch of pathetic well past middle aged men, trying to forge yet another "exclusive" authoritarian offshoot in old "doc" vic's name..

around here, I've heard them call him V2P2.

Seems to me if they were so willing to "pony up" the monies for people in middle of nowhere, at hq it would be just routine practice.. Considering loy's and vic's proclivities, I would be suprised that there aren't otherwise a dozen or so little mogsters crawling about. There's another thread where vic is said to complain about having to fork out so much money, that the corps oughta just "be more careful.."

I think I figured it out. They sound pretty much the same. Just one of them gets union scale..

Hey Socks.. is there a significant audible difference between unscripted and scripted caterwauling?

Apparently for some, the aching throbs from the addiction never wore off. Was that the drug? To be gawd's spiritual "giants"? Why can't some people just live a "normal" life? Don't have to be "special".. or hold some mystic power that others lack.. the sun will still come up the same way it does practically every morning..

Ever consider the possibility that "light" may lie in TRUTH? And I don't mean any one particular archaic doctrine or superstition either. Light doesn't need focussed on. In fact, you'd better bring a pair of sunglasses..

To this day, many of those I loved and supported.. fellowshipped with.. even some I knew before way days who are still in wouldn't even DREAM of looking me up. Even before my first post on greasespot. I never was placed on some kind of special blacklist before. a lot of offshoots are almost as bad.. they'll "play" if one wants to go to "twig".

Sounds more like crack cocaine.. like a lot of them had a "dealer's habit", where they'd shoot their own grandma for touching their latest stash.. true? Some people were convinced to mark and avoid (or worse) those in their own families. For little or no reason outside of some meddler's suspicions. How powerful WAS the drug that twi offered?

reminds me of a Springsteen song..

I thought this might have some relevance to the "new corpsy" thingy. Having been subjected to der vey's "swinging door" policy, i.e. OUR way or the HIGHWAY, or just plain the HIGHWAY if we happen to not like you.. why institute the SAME POLICY? It's like.. you've either left, or been driven off to just become what you've left. you've left a power hungry, authoritarian, self-posturing bunch of legalistic hucksters to become one of them in the end?

I wonder how much of this nonsense was more about how the vicster saw his family being scattered to the winds so to speak. Older group gone, off making a different kind of life.. and facing the same possibility with the younger group. Who in their right mind would put that kind of pressure on his own offspring to tow the line.. "if it fails, it's YOUR fault.." any way I look at it, it looks like he was NUTS. Did he REALLY think that he could sow the seeds of destruction- what.. about twenty Drambuie soaked years of adulterous and worse behavior, and somehow, the kids could pull the "ministry" out of the fire? that's a yoke I wouldn't put on MY offspring..

Actually, the narrow confines of way beliefs didn't exactly fit the parents either.. "some of us" have abandoned the way beliefs we thought we'd embrace for a lifetime..