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Happy Birthday friend! Hope you enjoy your day..

And that's what I think the "just get over it" crowd often times does not really get. A person can't exactly tear out the bad, and keep the good. Look at the recent developments.. do they REALLY think they can "get it right" this time? I don't think so.. especially if a few honest questions are met with hostility or putting someone on just plain ignore. Sometimes I think part of the next stage of development involves seeing the last one for what it really was..

looks like a bunch of spiritually unemployed or bankrupt "rowdies" may have picked up his banner..

It makes me wonder if they have anything better to do with their time.. why not get a hobby.. Where's the "need" for this kind of thing anyway? Doesn't cff already have some kind of leadership training deal? I wonder if that won't mean a hill of beans now.

I wonder how many of the "board" are technically unemployed at the moment.. it's just a thought.

Yep. I'm suprised you didn't see this.. Squirrel ranting on page after page

Bliss, what was your first impression of his little internet site? Mine was.. "sheesh, he's looking for volunteers to chop and stack his fire wood, fix the farm equipment, herd and slaughter his farm animals.. build the farm.. and at the end of the day, listen to old tapes of V1P1 teaching Thessalonians or something." I originally thought it was a joke. No, he says it's no joke.. just him and a bunch of pathetic well past middle aged men, trying to forge yet another "exclusive" authoritarian offshoot in old "doc" vic's name..

around here, I've heard them call him V2P2.

Seems to me if they were so willing to "pony up" the monies for people in middle of nowhere, at hq it would be just routine practice.. Considering loy's and vic's proclivities, I would be suprised that there aren't otherwise a dozen or so little mogsters crawling about. There's another thread where vic is said to complain about having to fork out so much money, that the corps oughta just "be more careful.."

I think I figured it out. They sound pretty much the same. Just one of them gets union scale..

Hey Socks.. is there a significant audible difference between unscripted and scripted caterwauling?

Apparently for some, the aching throbs from the addiction never wore off. Was that the drug? To be gawd's spiritual "giants"? Why can't some people just live a "normal" life? Don't have to be "special".. or hold some mystic power that others lack.. the sun will still come up the same way it does practically every morning..

Ever consider the possibility that "light" may lie in TRUTH? And I don't mean any one particular archaic doctrine or superstition either. Light doesn't need focussed on. In fact, you'd better bring a pair of sunglasses..

To this day, many of those I loved and supported.. fellowshipped with.. even some I knew before way days who are still in wouldn't even DREAM of looking me up. Even before my first post on greasespot. I never was placed on some kind of special blacklist before. a lot of offshoots are almost as bad.. they'll "play" if one wants to go to "twig".

Sounds more like crack cocaine.. like a lot of them had a "dealer's habit", where they'd shoot their own grandma for touching their latest stash.. true? Some people were convinced to mark and avoid (or worse) those in their own families. For little or no reason outside of some meddler's suspicions. How powerful WAS the drug that twi offered?

reminds me of a Springsteen song..

I thought this might have some relevance to the "new corpsy" thingy. Having been subjected to der vey's "swinging door" policy, i.e. OUR way or the HIGHWAY, or just plain the HIGHWAY if we happen to not like you.. why institute the SAME POLICY? It's like.. you've either left, or been driven off to just become what you've left. you've left a power hungry, authoritarian, self-posturing bunch of legalistic hucksters to become one of them in the end?

I wonder how much of this nonsense was more about how the vicster saw his family being scattered to the winds so to speak. Older group gone, off making a different kind of life.. and facing the same possibility with the younger group. Who in their right mind would put that kind of pressure on his own offspring to tow the line.. "if it fails, it's YOUR fault.." any way I look at it, it looks like he was NUTS. Did he REALLY think that he could sow the seeds of destruction- what.. about twenty Drambuie soaked years of adulterous and worse behavior, and somehow, the kids could pull the "ministry" out of the fire? that's a yoke I wouldn't put on MY offspring..

Actually, the narrow confines of way beliefs didn't exactly fit the parents either.. "some of us" have abandoned the way beliefs we thought we'd embrace for a lifetime..

The only thing I can say.. shame on them, or the one who allowed it.. why put that kind of yoke on a baby..

Socks, that reminds me of a contractor here, who managed to lose his license. I know another contractor who witnessed his "handiwork".. he said they literally built houses like the three stooges.. a wall went up, a wall went down. Plumbing got put in, plumbing got ripped out.. heating ducts got ripped out, the wall removed, the wall put back two feet further, where it actually belonged, and then.. the ducts went back in. They considered his operation a laughingstock. Maybe I'll start a new thread.. loy the "contractor"..

The same could be said of colleges, universities, etc. Growth is expected. As of yet, though, I have NEVER EVER EVER seen any one given student singled out by ANY professor to be a recepient of crushing ridicule and criticism and made and "example" of in front of a class.. or a blind student ridiculed and screamed at because of their unbelief that they could not follow along in the reading. I've NEVER EVER seen or heard of any fellow students being rousted up in the middle of the night for some kind of emergency meeting.. or to line the driveway to meet the president of the college as he pulls in town in his motorcoach.. in fact, hazing incidents back in the old days at their worst didn't come close to what some people were put through to develop "christian" character. Now let's look at the results of this development of "christian" character.. look at ces.. a bunch of tough, stubborn, neurotic mog wanabes.. and rood's scam of a "ministry".. and the friggin idjuts trying to go live in the woods again, and drag kids along to do the work.. the other "advertisers" on cff's website, running more pfal degree mills.. selling more toilet paper degrees. I'm not sure about the Belezian deal.. they MIGHT be a little more legitimate.. but I wouldn't bet on it at the moment.. but vic produced offspring groups that are no better than scientology. Or SELLERS of kaballah. You really can't SELL what's holy..

At best I pity the poor bastards. Obviously, SOME of them think they are "special".. regard their heritage as a gift of gawd or something. Why else would they try to resurrect the wierwille name and ministry on a farm in the middle of nowhere.. I don't think ALL of them are actively involved, but at least the one who named his kid after gramps. The older kids managed to strike out on their own, and you couldn't see the road for dust. I wonder what they think of this new venture.. why they'd yoke a baby with this, I have no idea.. either way you look at his "heritage"- the "official" white-washed version, or the "unofficial" testimony of what really went on behind the scenes, it's a heritage I personally would not want to deal with. I wonder what he's gonna do when he finally realizes he can't live up to the illusion of the supposed icon they've given him.

But why the desperate need to drag some young kids into this.. maybe it'll make the little camping experience in the woods a little more comfortable. Maybe they need omeone to chop and stack the firewood, feed and slaughter the animals, build the farm.. repair the equipment, build the fires, cook the meals.. Iit's obvious they are too old to muster up the kind of stamina to do it themselves. "This is YOUR farm. It will be what you make of it. You are always welcome here.." where have I heard that before.. Why put it on the backs of yet another generation of youth.. How many of you guys slaved away at Emporia, Rome City, HQ.. my name is in the little book in the auditorium as a contributor. I wonder if the book is even still there.

I dunno. I think the "board" here is pretty human. Like anybody else.. "so now what' may depend on the particular person involved.. "now what".. you tell me.. :) where is it exactly you want to go?