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a few names would likewise help.. I would imagine you wouldn't get in to make a bid without at least presenting a calling card..

Just another undereducated buffoon with delusions of godhood (ahem, way corps *grad*) given authority during loy's "reign of terror" over people's lives..

Catcup, isn't he one of these supposed "kindler, gentler" leadership that some have claimed are currently in twi? I remember that story too.. he told it with pride here too. Sad to say, my state produced him..

I've had a lot of the same questions..

Yep. Amazing the kinds of intrusions they made into people's lives. Who you date, who you marry, who you associate with, what a person reads.. I was out by the time my kids started dating to any degree.. thank God.. worrying about getting their possible future mates through some damn class was the last consideration..

I dunno. Sounds pretty sick to me. I think they call it bait and switch.

This might be a little off topic, maybe not.. mabe it's how NOT to treat a homosexual.. I'm not angry. These are just a few observations. http://www.pbs.org/saf/1505/features/lia2.htm I think loy boy's paranoia and inquistion was as primitive. I mean, we all *know* that "god" wants to *bless* us with more abundance than we possibly could know what to do with in one lifetime, eh? Well.. something's gotta be "wrong". Lessee.. what's "wrong" in America.. It's.. liberals. Yeah.. one "twig" in an offshoot I was lightly involved with said so. Why, you might not turn "homo" overnight, but such beliefs would open you up to devilish influences.. It's the practioners of Wicca. Sure, that's gotta be it.. making room for all kinds of debils.. maybe it's the Jews, like in Nazi Germany.. they got the blame for practically all of Germany's woe.. forget that the Kaiser bit off more than he could chew, got his donkey kicked.. I would say that most of us here were subjected to the same kind of categorization, fault, and blame. what was "wrong" with the old ministry.. had to be the "homos".. they were the "biblical" number one target.. loy ran them off.. and did things get better? The skies turn from bronze to silver? Then those considered "weak", "compromised" to the extent they wouldn't hand over fifteen percent of their income.. Then those "unproductive".. those who couldn't sell loyboy's package to the masses.. Then those in debt.. that's gotta be the problem.. get out of debt, or get out.. Then those who couldn't keep up with a family, two, three kids or more, clean leader's houses, AND keep the top of their refrigerator up to the standards of the latest loywanabe to visit the area.. So, in PRACTICAL terms, doesn't this categorization of a group of people as "sinful" or being some kind of living spiritual treachery at worst, or godless.. or from whom one must make up for lack of believing or spiritual attack by much prayer, intercession and the like..or to regard them as a (or the) cause of some woe, or such.. doesn't it sound kinda, well, "Wayish"?

I wonder if they feature "The Myth of the Six Million" and "Hoax of the Twentieth Century" in their bookstore..

Hmmm. Could be why he didn't have it in him to go fight in the war against der faderland..

Anybody know if the lawsuits still going? Or did it just kinda go "fizz"..?

Yeesh.. even sounds like one of the vicster's "teachings" at one of the ROA's.. same intonation.. very eerie..

"I'd rather see a sermon, than hear one any day.." the words of the vicster condemns himself, and those like him.. "they hold(?) the truth, but they truth does not hold them.." wow.. what a "sermon".. he really "holds" the "word".. ptooie.

If vic's callousness and lack of conscience is genetic.. God have mercy on them..

interesting though.. the longest thread was enlightening. The one guy.. "they wouldn't tell anybody about what was really going on.." "well, that's just not true. You have to ask first." "well, I asked, and *they* said it was none of my business.." "well, what's the big deal anyway, it isn't da word or anything.." good grief.. they still think twi is the finest biblical "resort" this side of heaven..

They actually had some dialogue going on there for a while.. I tried posting something today and got a message "invalid group" or something like that.. weird. Looks like one may view the posts if one knows where they are at.. same old same old.. if *they* disagree, ignore them.. *sticks fingers in ears* *la, la la la la la..* Now all is peaceful again. "well, maggie, I'm sooooo *blessed*. The *new* classes you know.. just soooo, blessed.." "well, I'm just so *blessed* that you are blessed. By golly, I'm *blessed* too.."

Looks like it's a closed forum over there now..

so much for the "revised" history about how der vey was good in principle, until madman loyster "took it over".. Oh yeah.. let's just all go back to the "good old days" when the vicster was at his "best".. good gawd..

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/radio/...ng-the-way.html This should be required listening for the staff and "participants".. I wonder if gramps would still be the kid's greatest hero.. Honestly, I think they are building a shrine for a turd..

They should have named him(her?) Dr. Strangedog..

At loy boy's advanced class "retake" I remember.. one of the "to bring" items, practically highlighted was a flashlight. During a session while the loyster was present, the lights went out. Quiet panic ensued, while people fumbled in pockets and briefcases for the said items.. the loyster practically alluded to the fact it was proof he had divine "revelation" for it to be on the list.. and I thought.. "sheesh, what a moron.. he just had some lackey throw the switch.. "

well, until they send me a brochure, I can only guess. But I don't think it's that far off the mark.. There's another question for me to ask.. how much sleep time do the "trainees" really get? it's a fair question.. if they are patterned after the corpse program, I would imagine they have far less than eight hours a day, and a lot less food than they'd like.. still waiting for the brochure..

oddly is a good term.. and it seems like the "dream" is foisted upon the younger crowd.. young vicster as well. Why couldn't they just leave the kid alone.. he did manage to graduate with a bachellor's.. and today, that's just a START. Instead of going on, he has to fulfill "his" dream which is named for him.. shame on THEM. What a waste.. the kid is apparently brilliant.. now he's trying to resurrect a defunct cult.. those guys had their shot at the "dream".. why not just let it go.. I wonder how many words of "prophecy" were spoken over the young vicmeister, massaging his ego with promises of "greatness" in da dumb *ministry*.. my dream involves mathematics, chemistry and some physics.. I think it's the greatest.. for ME. One of my kids showed more aptitude in math than I did at her age.. she turned out to be an artist. I don't think a *normal* parent would be disappointed. Not that I claim to be *normal* or anything, but I'm not disappointed.. It would have been rather cruel and controlling to name her "Hamette II, THE mathematician for our day time and hour" upon birth..

The next question.. What have they promised the "participants"? I mean.. close to a year of chopping firewood, de-stumping and de-rocking of farmland, one bizarre "extrememe" activity after another, hours upon hours of old "doc's" materials either played or boringly recited.. the constant reminder that they could be sent away at any given moment.. what's in it for them? God, gold and glory? No *normal* person would subject themselves to this kinda nonsense, just for the fun of it.. and the related question.. can the "organization" live up to the promises it insinuates? It's not the late sixties again.. there isn't a resurgence of "spirituality" that they can take advantage of, like vicster did with the old organization.. I don't think they will see the influx of people that they anticipate. Are they as naive as to think "if we build it, *they* will come.."?

I wonder.. does j.s. STILL call the vicster "doctor"?? I thought he respected academic honesty just a little more than that..

I took her class too. she was already in her fifties (I think) back in the late 1970's.. maybe I'm mistaken..