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The "ignore" button does wonders.. providing the rest of the community doesn't hit the "quote" button should they decide to respond.. I haven't seen a single quote of Oldies or WD that proves to be REALLY relevant or even worth reading. WD turned down some of my first hand testimony here, just ONCE.. I'm done with him..

I dunno. Maybe he just gets a kick out of INCITING a mob. Perhaps similar to walking into a bar inhabited by hordes of muscle-bound bikers, and shouting at the top of one's lungs, "you're all a bunch of lilly livered cowards, nothing you say is true..you should paint all your bikes yellow.." and then relying on the bouncers to save his miserable hide.. I think people have been rather kind here. I think some people insist upon bringing out man's worse nature. It's destructive testing. Push the right buttons long enough, gouge enough, get a negative reaction, and say "see, I was right. You're no better than *them*.." but no, they won't say it. They let someone else who hasn't followed the nonsense post it: "looks like you've come full circle.. now you're marking and avoiding the poor fella.. JUST LIKE DA WAY.." he's probably laughing his a** off..

He's saying "there will be NO DIALOGUE" even in the style that he writes.. sheesh. "I'm da master. Study what I say.." good grief..

But it passed msword's spell and grammer checker.. here's what a little "doohickey" on line says about it: http://www.online-utility.org/english/read...and_improve.jsp A SMOG rating of 19 indicates one needs a post grad degree to understand this sentence with one reading! isn't it just so wonderful to be talked down to in this manner? Why doesn't he just make his point, and get on with it? Instead, I am treated to an epistle that takes an ordinary human being fifteen or so readings before they can comprehend what he's saying.. I don't think he's trying to communicate as such. It's such a morass of s*it to sort through.. I think the purpose is more pavlovian.. ring the right kind of wayspeak bells..

The interesting thing.. with few exceptions.. I think our little "coming out".. little bid for independance.. was fraught with doubt.. it doesn't exactly agree with scripture as such..

I was looking for family also. At this point, I think what they promised was an illusion..

As far as God, the secrets of the universe, the answer to everything and all.. I think this little experience on a rather small, insignificant(?) piece of rock.. was worth everything it promised to be..

doesn't hurt much, to think , that is..

I guess.. Instead of serving and contributing in a glorious palace, they'd rather perpeptuate the myth, and be the rulers in a beaten down farm in a Mississippi swamp.. it's pathetic..

Seems two types of "bigwigs" left der vey, those who moved on, got a REAL life and profession, education, some real credentials, and those who just wanted to knowingly or unknowingly perpeptuate the scam.. I've seen it in a couple of individuals.. it's an itch that can't be scratched, and it won't go away. If they don't have the microphone and the podium.. they're ok.. for a few months. They are improving themselves.. maybe starting in a good profession, getting involved in the community, actually doing something beneficial- Then it starts. "well, what is all this good for unless *I* am moving *da WORD*?" It's almost like withdrawl from an addiction worse than heroin..

why can't people just be normal, ordinary.. what's the big deal? I really think being part of an organization that holds all the aces defines his existence.. even tried walking on water, raising the dead.. did he ever get any documentable results? that didn't work so well.. hmm. maybe we oughter try personal prophecies.. can't deny lack of "results" there, can we? I think modern christian hucksterism lies in this so called prophetic movement.. one doesn't HAVE to produce ANYTHING. Anything tangible, that is.. and the "prophet" can still wallow in self-importance.

I already have a pet rock. In fact, I've got a litter of them.. one is a three hundred granite.. a hundred pound sandstone.. and several dozen in the twenty to fifty pound category.. no thanks jl, I don't need any more..

*lawyer stands to make his motion* "your honor, my (ahem) client is entirely innocent of being an abusive, obnoxious, mean spirited, hateful, plagiaristic and narccisic serial rapist. We seek damages, to the tune of $100,000,000.00." "but your client is dead, is he not? the defense has provided the court with the death certificate.." "true, your honor, but that is the whole point, isn't it? How could a dead man possibly perform any of these foul actions?"

by Spirit, a little-known group, at least today..

I've read some of their materials.. "and I'm thankful for da *man* o gawd who taught us da gweatness of da wonderful, matchwess word.." as if he were some real kind of authority.. I haven't seen too much reference to his writings. they still call him "Doctor" wierwille.. I really can't give him that kind of honor.. "junior" regards him as a hero, some kind of god..

I tend to believe the reports. I personally witnessed a group of wives being mentally and physically abused.. by "top leadership".. and one young lady counselled with screams to "just get over it and get laid". when someone jumps to these scumbuckets defense, it makes me ask why..

Personally.. I don't see the attraction in making excuses for the vicster, or attempting to protect his "precious" name.. or to see that every jot and tittle as to legalities be fulfilled before bringing forth some kind of claim which supposedly slanders his "holy" name.. what's the big deal? He was caught with his pants down.. in more ways than one. The *man* even publically displayed pornography with MINORS present for gawd's sakes.. It seems the harder they fight for the rights of these scumbuckets, the more they contaminate the "ministry" and the name of the mogster they seek to protect.. I don't see the logic in this. Maybe that's the plan- seems quite effective smearing the mogster even worse. Or perhaps one's "ministry" depends on the teachings and reputation of the so called manogawd to remain unsullied.. perhaps for the scam to perpeptuate, one needs to do something about the old victims.. maybe every personal story and claim is yet another dig in the flesh for some.. or were the apologists victimizers themselves? Could it be that they are projecting their guilt in the situation? Weighing what might be needed to bring a conviction from some of these kind of claims? I dunno.. whatever their real motive is, I'd like to know. it's obviously not "the love of God"..

What I wonder.. when will the PTSD rear it's ugly head and these poor women eventually come out by the droves to finish loyboy and crew off.. I don't think loy will have quite the following, support, and "enforcers" to keep them off his back.

Actually, when I started lurking here, I found the cat fights rather refreshing. Some people could actually be honest for a change.

I'd like to see that question answered..

My opinion.. I think he gave us the PROBLEM, then sold us the CURE. Kind of like, "free beer". But the beer is poisoned.. the beer is free, but not the antidote.. and one dose of antidote won't really fix things.. have to take one class after another, give until it hurts. I think we were sold problems which we never really had to begin with. The sell was so effective, some here are still convinced that if it wasn't for der vey and the "greatness" of pfal and all, they'd be either dead, unsaved for eternity, or living a miserable existence on day after the next, spending life as a "homo", or God forbid, a trinitarian. They seem as convinced of the induced "problem" as they are of the manufactured "solution". When I was young, I didn't have any real problems that a little grief counselling and an education couldn't fix.

Considering some of the people who prayed that little prayer "gawd save me" were abused.. and "gawd" sent a sexual, criminal, deviant scumbucket to bring more abuse.. I would say the devil answers prayer as well. "b-b-b-b but, da man has such FAITH.." I've read something about how devils believe.. I really think the people the vicster actually "helped" didn't need help to begin with..

I don't think it takes a "critic" to judge the vicster's life. One doesn't need a fine education, years of training.. now something like fine wine, a classy theatrical production, perhaps one needs education and experience to evaluate the subtle nuances of the production. With the vicster's life, isn't the need of a "critic" overkill? Even a wino knows sour wine when he encounters it. It's just.. calling for a critic is kind of a waste of talent isn't it? It's like handing a world class wine taster a sample of a bad production of Gallo or something..

Maybe one could attach a few conditions to the prayer.. "God, send some one to save me. If he is a womanizing, abusive, plagiaristic, egotistical, arrogant sob who just wants to inflate his importance in history as only told by him, don't bother." :)

I can see the dialog from the seventy and eighty some crowd.. "for gawd's sake Martha, if you'd pick up your d*mn dentures, spectacles, and just read the book.. maybe you'd see the greatness of it all.." sowy.. it's just one of those evenings..