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Something like that. :) Interesting the huckster managed to get his name on an auditorium *I* (and a few others) paid for with our own above 15 percent or so "giving".. I'd like to see it turned into a mall..

Besides accountability, I think it would go a long way if some of the "leaders" developed an honest, real, genuine human sense of humor.. maybe they could take a few insults, without thinking God's gonna kick some rear.. I think they take themselves far, far too seriously. Maybe I'm asking for a little too much..

With the money and resources twi had in the mid seventies, I think they COULD have moved into the category of legitimate mainstream education.. they completely renovated the Carnagie library at emporia. Why stop there? They could have started with getting accredidation as a two year establishment.. and later accredidation as a four year university.. it would have taken some time, work, and MONEY. I think the vicster looked at the price tag, and figured for "gawd's people" it just wasn't worth it.. that there were "better uses" for the money..

I got one too, just because they were handing them out. At least they are honest- claim "this certificate doesn't give you squat.." just the MINIMUM paperwork to perform a legal marriage ceremony according to the laws of whatever state one finds oneself. and it's.. FREE! I really got it so I could boldly say to twi clergy, "I am not inferior to you.. you've got a useless piece of paper, well, I've got one too.."

And who was the big spiritualist vic went to the heels of for "truth"? Wasn't it Arthur Ford? I wonder if he "laid out" the vicster's "ministry" like he supposedly did for Moon..

and I would also say he was a quack who pretended to be a doctor.. One of my professors takes trips out of the country to some of the most unsafe places in the world.. says he doesn't need kevlar anymore. Reason? He figured it out.. you walk around and act like you own the place, even if you don't- and "they" will simply LEAVE YOU ALONE. Won't even question you.. I think that's what the vicster did.. a little known con artist with a doctorate worth a few sheets of toilet paper.. and he acted like king of the world..

I have never heard anyone outside of der vey who had a legitimate doctorate even refer to themselves as "doctor". Perhaps some have.. but the vicster puts those words in the dialog in the mouths of those he supposedly respected.. like Karl Barth. "well, *Dr* wierwille, if what you see is true.." I'll bet he called him "vic".. in real life. These con artists seem to enjoy stroking themselves with that title..

It may have all been as easy as plagiarizing off a log backwards..

I don't know about "thought". "claimed" perhaps.. maybe it comes down to whether the vicmeister actually drank his own kool-aide. I think perhaps just enough, that when he spoke, he made it sound believable..

I wonder how low the dow will sink before someone declares martial law..

board acting "weird" today.. see post below..

Call it whatever you want, I call it "dialogue". But maybe the "other guy" just happens to have a lot more to say.. stifle people's genuine emotions and valid reactions with a few religious quotes and references to "those who can heal" is the surest way to close it..

I wouldn't call it raging anger. Some of us have learned how to "channel" it in constructive ways. I really think it's a fallacy that people can be so deeply wounded and miraculously "healed" by the wave of a religious quote like, what would Jesus do.. or even analysis.. they might help one understand the experience, and how to cope.. like it or not, we are all "flawed". I think if people are bound to the extent they can't get angry, or express rage, at least in an appropriate manner, it's not good.. Isn't.. displaying dissapointment, anger, "concern", and even masked rage about people supposedly expressing anger and rage.. the same thing? I really don't think you understand what you think you understand here.. WWJD? What I think.. he'd sit down, be QUIET.. (I'm being polite here), LISTEN for a LONG TIME, and bear a few burdens.. I'd say most of us here, have been abused by pharisees for YEARS- some even decades.

I'd better go for now, and get the presses lubed and warmed up..

*steps up to microphone* "Hurry, hurry hurry. Improve your education, job qualifications and general intellect. For a limited time, these fine certificates are personally signed by the Great Squirrel. Be among the first.. imagine the PRESTIGE and swelling self-importance, as you proudly show your *achievement* to friends, family, and employer.. hurry, hurry, hurry.."

Hey, it's a bargain. Fifty bucks.. and it's probably worth more than an advanced class or corps grad diploma..

Hey, I could sell a few of these things. I might even consider licensing Paw for the right percentage toward the running of Greasespot..

I guess months is even too much today.. already have a bachellor's? Here one place one can get a Master's and PHD in only God knows what for about $1100.00. If you order both at the same time, you get a discounted price of $769.00. http://www.affordabledegrees.com/ADA/fee.asp That's about what I'm putting out for a four credit class.. then he can claim in a few years, "ya know, my critics say I got my degree at a degree mill. Well, ya know.. it was a highly unusual, advanced quick learning format.. sponsored by EXPERTS.."

What's ironic.. this is from one of the links at the bottom of this page.. http://www.degree.net I think the young vicster should consider it.. really. Get a phd in just a few short months, instead of years of hard, dedicated effort..

It's a crying shame in a way. The victser's decendents, at least those who I have met, who have been living in the "real world" for a while.. actually working for a living, not having any recognized status of being offspring of a lecherous, charismatic preacher- they can actually be normal, nice, loving people.. but put them in front of a microphone with the power of summary judgement over fawning followers.. it's a nightmare. Of course there are those who walked away from the insanity. Maybe it's not just the family, maybe it's human nature..

The only difference I can see- he skipped a start at working in a legitimate organization. Same egotism.. same arrogance.. same doctrine.. same name. the "elders" just gave him a short cut to mogdom..

and I think the "elders" are training the victoid's namesake to do the same thing. Reckless, "charismatic", and "persecuted".. don't need an education.. supposedly "signs and wonders don't necesarily follow those with a degree.." as if signs and wonders just litter the ground somewhere in rural Mississippi..

This little egotistical, arrogant god wanabe actually considers me an adversary, simply because I can't validate his particular brand of "culthood" as the fulfillment and extension of the "greatest word-o-god" since the first century.. I spit on his "inheritance".. Believe it or not, I'm actually peaceful here..

so I want to know WHO the critics are, referenced by his "greatness".. were they old church members, who wouldn't put up with the bull.. called him on his doctoral "greatness".. maybe we're seeing history repeating itself.. were they people who had a half a brain? maybe people who had some kind of genuine concern? "critics".. ha. I'll say this.. if one would just friggin LISTEN.. you don't have to agree with me.. but at least you might understand me.. maybe I'm asking for too much.