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I have never heard anyone outside of der vey who had a legitimate doctorate even refer to themselves as "doctor". Perhaps some have.. but the vicster puts those words in the dialog in the mouths of those he supposedly respected.. like Karl Barth. "well, *Dr* wierwille, if what you see is true.." I'll bet he called him "vic".. in real life. These con artists seem to enjoy stroking themselves with that title..

It may have all been as easy as plagiarizing off a log backwards..

I don't know about "thought". "claimed" perhaps.. maybe it comes down to whether the vicmeister actually drank his own kool-aide. I think perhaps just enough, that when he spoke, he made it sound believable..

I wonder how low the dow will sink before someone declares martial law..

board acting "weird" today.. see post below..

Call it whatever you want, I call it "dialogue". But maybe the "other guy" just happens to have a lot more to say.. stifle people's genuine emotions and valid reactions with a few religious quotes and references to "those who can heal" is the surest way to close it..

I wouldn't call it raging anger. Some of us have learned how to "channel" it in constructive ways. I really think it's a fallacy that people can be so deeply wounded and miraculously "healed" by the wave of a religious quote like, what would Jesus do.. or even analysis.. they might help one understand the experience, and how to cope.. like it or not, we are all "flawed". I think if people are bound to the extent they can't get angry, or express rage, at least in an appropriate manner, it's not good.. Isn't.. displaying dissapointment, anger, "concern", and even masked rage about people supposedly expressing anger and rage.. the same thing? I really don't think you understand what you think you understand here.. WWJD? What I think.. he'd sit down, be QUIET.. (I'm being polite here), LISTEN for a LONG TIME, and bear a few burdens.. I'd say most of us here, have been abused by pharisees for YEARS- some even decades.

I'd better go for now, and get the presses lubed and warmed up..

*steps up to microphone* "Hurry, hurry hurry. Improve your education, job qualifications and general intellect. For a limited time, these fine certificates are personally signed by the Great Squirrel. Be among the first.. imagine the PRESTIGE and swelling self-importance, as you proudly show your *achievement* to friends, family, and employer.. hurry, hurry, hurry.."

Hey, it's a bargain. Fifty bucks.. and it's probably worth more than an advanced class or corps grad diploma..

Hey, I could sell a few of these things. I might even consider licensing Paw for the right percentage toward the running of Greasespot..

I guess months is even too much today.. already have a bachellor's? Here one place one can get a Master's and PHD in only God knows what for about $1100.00. If you order both at the same time, you get a discounted price of $769.00. http://www.affordabledegrees.com/ADA/fee.asp That's about what I'm putting out for a four credit class.. then he can claim in a few years, "ya know, my critics say I got my degree at a degree mill. Well, ya know.. it was a highly unusual, advanced quick learning format.. sponsored by EXPERTS.."

What's ironic.. this is from one of the links at the bottom of this page.. http://www.degree.net I think the young vicster should consider it.. really. Get a phd in just a few short months, instead of years of hard, dedicated effort..

It's a crying shame in a way. The victser's decendents, at least those who I have met, who have been living in the "real world" for a while.. actually working for a living, not having any recognized status of being offspring of a lecherous, charismatic preacher- they can actually be normal, nice, loving people.. but put them in front of a microphone with the power of summary judgement over fawning followers.. it's a nightmare. Of course there are those who walked away from the insanity. Maybe it's not just the family, maybe it's human nature..

The only difference I can see- he skipped a start at working in a legitimate organization. Same egotism.. same arrogance.. same doctrine.. same name. the "elders" just gave him a short cut to mogdom..

and I think the "elders" are training the victoid's namesake to do the same thing. Reckless, "charismatic", and "persecuted".. don't need an education.. supposedly "signs and wonders don't necesarily follow those with a degree.." as if signs and wonders just litter the ground somewhere in rural Mississippi..

This little egotistical, arrogant god wanabe actually considers me an adversary, simply because I can't validate his particular brand of "culthood" as the fulfillment and extension of the "greatest word-o-god" since the first century.. I spit on his "inheritance".. Believe it or not, I'm actually peaceful here..

so I want to know WHO the critics are, referenced by his "greatness".. were they old church members, who wouldn't put up with the bull.. called him on his doctoral "greatness".. maybe we're seeing history repeating itself.. were they people who had a half a brain? maybe people who had some kind of genuine concern? "critics".. ha. I'll say this.. if one would just friggin LISTEN.. you don't have to agree with me.. but at least you might understand me.. maybe I'm asking for too much.

same damn mindset too.. I'm one of the "critics".. despite the fact I offer the most objective analysis and practical "wisdom" that he'll never see from the yes *men* (cough) that want to see a "boy from Brazil" inherit the "greatness" of his ancestor.. friggin idjits.. it's not present "truth".. it's present evil.. keep reading, friend..

surely greater things, eh? I'm dealing with his grandkid, who seems to have inherited the same or worse arrogance and egotism, if not (eventually) the same morals.. you tell me if it isn't "relevant".

And how much "time" did he ACTUALLY "put in"? I know a few with PHD's in math.. it took a few YEARS. Now as to choosing a second rate institution, for a doctorate "program".. he was "educated", was he not? In other words.. even if he got scammed, he should have known better.. he'd been around the "real deal", at least for a few years. but who were these "critics"? I'd still like to know.

Yeah. well, I think the real troubling thing is how he disregarded these men (and perhaps women) who seemed to take question with his credentials.. Doesn't as much as name them. Practically called them enemies. I think this shows how warped his logic was even at that time. It would be like, Capone whining because somebody called him a gangster..

Then.. who were these "critics" actually supposed to be, who were blowing the whistle on herr vicmeister? Pretty vague description. This was in 1971 I think.. long before the real hoopla. Were they ministers in the surrounding countryside? Perhaps former church members who knew him? Why would he omit their names, unless he really would rather one not look them up? makes me wonder..

I don't have a copy of it anymore, but didn't the victoid tell Whiteside something like.. "ya know, my *critics* say I got my phd from a degree mill.." Seems to me, either it's true, or it isn't. Why put those words in the mouths of those he considered "critics"? It almost insinuates that they have the burden of proof. Then he doesn't really adequately address the claim.. just spins another yarn about how the pres of the "institution" was some kinda "maverick", and was a high official in the education system.. which was also disproven. and how he modeled pfal out of the methods of *mr* lininger..