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little sob.. what you shoulda done.. gone peace corps.. actually made a difference somewhere.. naw.. let's just take a short cut to mogdom..

I wonder how the "manogawd"'s offspring feels about all of this.. does he realize the scam he's trying to run.. or is he just a pawn in the game.. I think.. a little of both.

I'd have to say I've never seen the coach. Once it was to make a scheduled stop with his "greatness" on it in Detroit, I think.. and there was a "drive" to get us to go see his "eminence".. never made it though..

Happy Birthday friend.. glad you enjoyed it.

maybe it's a McDonald's sign someone turned upside down..

Let's not forget "a friend of the devil is a friend of mine"..

Some of my best thoughts likely were spontaneous. Under der vey's tuteledge, I quickly learned how to suppress them, labelling them thinking evil, unrenewed mind.. even "influenced" by da adversary.. What I find intriguing.. after beating individuality and common sense out of people for YEARS, loy actually wanted them to try something intuitive, like.. "genuine spiritual suspicion". So the pendulum swung completely the other way.. the result, people being "confronted" and marked and avoided at the unbridled whim of the particular goon the people found themselves sitting before..

I think maybe the "phenomena" was not unlike Hitler in his early days. They interviewed women who saw him speak, and they said that they were "entranced" with his presence.. he was "superman". Kinda like the crowds of swooning women at an Elvis concert.. hyper-ventilating, getting weak in the knees.. passing out.. Mussolini was pretty much the same.. could really get a crowd charged up.. I think there very well may be a spiritual element to this. I mean.. look at ole vic.. on a physical level, what really was there to look at? What's the attraction? And there are groups dedicated to keeping his memory alive..

hmmm. what's to say he isn't?

The only difference I see between Simon and vic.. Simon offered MONEY. vic skipped a step, and just outright stole the "product". "I gotta have this POWER.. to *minister* da holy spurt.."

Actually, I've heard a fairly valid argument for just that claim.. I think the "sorcerer" comparison fits the vicster quite well.. "bewitched" or "dazzled" people with SOMETHING. And as his royal drambuieness walked "humbly" in life, he had lackeys and yes men announce his mogdafatdom to the world.. A few are still "dazzled" to this day, twenty some years after his death.

"board", I have a message for you.. you're FIRED.

Maybe they just misspelled.. should have been "serving da LARD with gladness.." the few on top who haven't done an honest day's work in over thirty years.. should have sub-titled it: Serving da lard with gladness, here are we, serve us..

as far as working heartily unto the lord, TO an organization, making it equivalent to serving God.. What about a hit man in the mob? I mean.. yeah, he probably really enjoys his line of work and all..

Personally,I'll never serve an organization, again.. never. Serve IN an organization where I'm not stuffing sycophants pockets with moolah, and actually making a DIFFERENCE? Perhaps. Like the radio club here. It has an organization, corporation papers, insurance, an elected board (unpaid), and.. they serve the community. Club equipment is bought and paid for at the VOTE of club members.. and it is put in service for possible disaster communications, or for community public service. Every last dollar is accounted for.. publically. At the club meeting of course, but we don't have bars on the windows and locks on the doors to keep inquiring minds from checking it out.. The treasurer presents the club financial status at EVERY monthly meeting.. even more detail than many would want to know. That's what I call an "organization", the REAL purpose of 501C. and it doesn't exist to be served.. it exists to serve, to give back to the community and society in general the benefits of electronic communications of all kinds. There are THOUSANDS of little clubs and groups like this, all over the United States. And.. 99.9 percent of them are honest, above board with finances. Why is it, if one adds religion to the equation.. I won't say it happens in every case, but why do these sycophants really think they have to offer, that they put out a shingle, or start a farm, and put up a sign: "Here am I, serve *me*"? Some may see it differently, but I almost think it's a sin to send them money.. donate a vehicle, labor.. at least a transgression of ordinary common sense..

The same smugness, insolence, arrogance and egotism has seeded itself in lotsa offshoots as well. Like DWBH says, they inherit their ancestor's spiritual DNA.. look at the new "sewers" endeavor. I found a few honest questions and inquiry answered with the same insolence, arrogance.. egotism.. "grrr, an *elder* oughta not ask questions like that.. who do you think you are?" I say it's time for the "body of christ" to terminate these raging lunatic's employment..

and in my opinion, that is as far as it POSSIBLY can go. Now, if it were a *real* spiritual kinda organization, there would be some REASONABLE accountability as an EMPLOYEE, but staff should be a PARTNERSHIP. For some, that is what it may have been once, long ago. You may disagree, but dredging up "volunteers" to profit and further the organization, as a DEBT- one seventh of one's time, and a minimum of one tenth of one's income, goes way over the line. At least the way I think. I really think the organization supposedly exists to serve, not to be served. The few servants on the top just turned vile and reprehensible.. greedy, arrogant.. hateful, insolent.. loy typified what was and is really wrong in da supposed *ministry*.. when he refused to do his supposed "god given" job, and the abundant sharing started drying up, and he wasn't being "served" properly, he threw a nasty little tantrum..

The little "snag" I see in this.. is da "ministry" is not my, or anyone elses, "master". I really don't think the *ministry* is to be served. at the most, *they* are supposed to be SERVANTS.. maybe servants that turned egotistical, abusive, hateful.. full of pride and arrogance, but they are still- just servants. Servants that have lost sight of, and perhaps even the ability or inclination to perform their JOB. Kinda like corporate america, and the government, in general. The ONLY difference I see between twi and the federal government.. with twi, the "voters" can't run rosie, donna, and crew out of office.

This "changing of the name" is supposed to be something "biblical". Like.. Abram becoming Abraham, Sarai becoming Sarah.. because something fundamentally supposedly changed. In CES's case, what, if anyone could even see.. what fundamentally changed? same "take" on "truth".. same classes, same materials.. same worn out "worda gawd" like it supposedly hasn't been known since the first century. I really think that with the change of the name, they really thought something was changing in a fundamental manner. What was it supposed to be? just a few thoughts..

Hair? I thought it looked more like mold.. but that's a good question.. I wonder how the current stfi "partner" thinks about the organization, with the prophecy "blues".. js pretty much thinks they have a biblical "handle" on prophecy.

Disgruntled.. that's what they like to call it.. I think it's more like "just tired of the same old nonsense.."

Hmm. This thread is so "delightful".. how'd I miss it Taz? It's almost like.. they moved from a more "masculine" Christian educational services.. to a more in touch with their femine side.. "spirit and truth international.." It's almost like.. they've submitted themselves to some kind of "operation".. but somehow, they've retained the raging male egotism.. Maybe I'm wrong.. or maybe the squirrel has had a little too much cabernet or something.. if it makes sense here.. good. If offensive, or nuts.. just ignore me..

quite different from having your clientelle sign a hold-harmless agreement.. John, have you looked at the Momentus experience? at best, I think the "trainers" are trained how to recognize when their victims are having a heart attack..

The one I went to, everything transfers to any reputable university in Michigan. Except for "remedial" courses (less than 100 level). http://www3.delta.edu/artic/tguides.html The reputable 2 year schools will have an articulation page similar to this.

well, because.. noooo, I won't go there, I won't.. just ask what'shername.. noooooooo..