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Yeah.. I think it's all about the money.. or position. and he still seems to relish sitting in a chair somewhere, pontificating.. making pitches for "da word like it hasn't been known" since the earth cooled.. what a maroon.. life can't be very comfortable, wearing a dozen or so millstones about one's neck.. maybe he needs a couple more sessions of momentus, to dull the pain..

Makes me wonder how much more isn't known because we don't "need to know".. In my estimation.. with the lack of honesty, he is entirely unqualified for any kind of "leadership" position.. I really think he did it to himself..

Well.. and jl.. I think he forgot the "rules" of snake oilmanship. 1. Never, ever ever drop the product.. or admit to any legitimate aspersions cast on it.. if you have to, consume enough of it to convince oneself of it's supposed merits. Makes it easier to sell that way.. 2. Sell, sell sell. As fast as one can, as much as one can. Strike while the iron is hot. If possible, get other "likeminded" individuals to assist you in the effort. and lastly, 3. When the angry mob is approaching you from the last town or village- run like hell. j.l. has proved to be a "master" of number one and two.. but defintely not number three.. well.. with the last couple of experiences as greasespot, maybe he's learned his lesson.. I really think that's what vic saw in him.. a ready made personality- fit the carnival "pitcher" role quite well.. the pathetic thing is how he still pitches.. it's like, that's all he really knows how to do.. maybe it's a hobby..

I think it's almost like a carnival atmosphere.. "hurray hurry hurrray.. come get da word like it hasn't been known since da firsta centurayy.." and don't bother the guy barking out the announcement with any bothersome questions.. he's there for one and only one purpose- to sell.

I'd imagine checks would be documentable, and like on irs 1099 miscallaneous income forms.. If anything, it's probably cash.. probably have a couple extra garbage bags full from roa days..

Yeah.. and it's such an insidious doctrine, that denigrates others belief systems and grieving process.. regards it as primitive, or uninformed, biblically uneducated.. or at it's worst, regarding the belief to be a result of possession.. It's not about the specific veyy belief that the dead are "dead" and unconscious.. it's the arrogance.. we, or at least I couldn't go to a stinking funeral without thinking evil of another.. I think it stopped the grieving process..

I would bet he analyzed the minister's message for biblical "errors"..

I saw you were reading the topic, figured you'd say something. see, I was right..

"The Way, it Was.." a mythical illusion.. j.l.'s illusion just happens to be a little more realistic to him than reality.. other than that, I dunno. it was an illusion.. of when one had the secrets of the universe at one's command.. the promise of moghood.. provided one stayed on the "right" path.. then the acid wore off.. well, for some, maybe it never did.. OK Garth.. it's all yours..

Probably angry- at how dad was de-maled by rosie.. the rest of the "trustees".. leadership.. and perhaps even donna. He's put out of the fold.. his "research" taught by others, and poor loy is languishing away somewhere, hardly a footnote now in the official cult history.. I highly highly doubt the angry young man lurks here.. if it were my dad, I don't think I would, or could. He's not the only "angry young man".. look at the sewers kid.. he is angry. At the treatment pops got from rosie and da ministry.. how the "spiritual calling" of the wienerville family was supposedly arbitrarily set at nought.. and pops and the rest of the "board" probably are just as angry.. at the "treatment" vic gets.. that it "really wasn't all his fault.. da PEOPLE made him do it.." I think the masked rage is at the least, dangerous.. especially seeing them try another go at the cornfield cult bizz.. And their "renewed mind" delusionality won't allow them to really deal with it..

Like, who? CES/stiffy? seems they didn't exactly "filter out" the good.. they sifted out the conceivable good and left the worst of the practice of "prophecy", authoritarianism and "we're rightism" that da way had to offer.. The boasting that "doctor" would be "proud" of what they are doing, that "dad" would appreciate their organization really suggests to me they are cut from the same cloth, share their ancestor's spiritual dna.. I think the moment they close their eyes and affectionately call vic "doctor".. it quacks like a cult.. and the statement that *we* left twi with da GOLD.. personally.. I think a few stolen doctrinal treatments of how many died with the lord, or how many days and nights he laid in the earth.. or analysis of the bible in terms of "administration" to be pretty trivial currency..

Thanks everybody.. it was a good birthday. It's good to have a few good friends..

It was "thanks".. dah, di di di di, di dah. da dit, dah di dah, di di dit thanks, it was a good birthday today. Nice to have a few friends..

I don't know if it's so much about whether he doesn't have a case.. maybe it's more a matter of whether any potential reward will actually be "collectable".. What I wonder.. are these guys still at each other's throats? What they need.. is a third party unaffected by their particular brand of nuttiness to sit as an arbitrator.. maybe it's too late for that.. who knows.. for a small handful of pecans, I'd consider..

somehow, I think STIFFI *members* don't quite have the deep pockets twi would have.. like *they* say.. if *prophecies* fail, call the lawyers..

Sooo.. it's been two months since the last post. Anything new? or are the "wheels of justice" merely grinding finely?

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The "Reflections" people would probably need a bull-whip to get it to "beehave"..

It would have to more closely resemble what I would call a "tortured beehive"..

I dunno about "puffy enough".. I think it's more like it isn't "scruffy enough"..

and as he walked up to the lecturn, he was probably singing to himself.. *Happinesssss, is a warm gun (bang bang shoot shoot)* *hapinesssss, is a warm gun mama..* *when I hold you.. in my arms..* vic groomed these guys.. taught them how to wear matching socks, color coordinated clothes.. how to make a suit look good.. and who was it that did the hair.. I forget the name of the department. Makeup.. how to get and hold a crowd's attention.. how to put on a talk.. but that's all "window dressing" as they say.. think what you want, but I think these are frivolous "virtues".. at least concerning an alleged "holy life".. I think the model that fits these guys was outlined by Erskine Caldwell.. Semon Dye- the blood-eyed, whiskey swigging, gun-toting, womanizing, thieving half excuse of a human being.. but he could make a suit look good at revival.. they are a dime a dozen.

"Packing heat" to a CHURCH SERVICE, of which one is the "featured speaker", just in case things "get out of hand".. doesn't that strike you as at the best, troubling, bizarre, sinister behavior? Just a thought.

Pretty big "snip".. aren't you just being a TAD too generous? he was a gun-toting PIMP for da mog, and WORSE, for crying out loud.. other than that, I'm sure he could be a charming, polite, quasi-intellectiual individual- if circumstances warranted it.. :)

He probably CAN'T retire.. that is, unless he's gotten special treatment or something.. and I'd think he couldn't get a job if or when they put him out to pasture.. what a waste of life.

I dunno.. it's a hobby.. maybe it has carnival kind of attraction.. gruesome, yet one can't look away.. compare the image to this: It's almost like somebody sprinkled some pixie dust.. maybe it's just advertising. "we can work with practically ANYTHING.."